AP1/AP2 recommendations
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yeah best beat would be to use the search button or get other reviews on both models. wouldnt want a flame war to happen. trying using reviews on both models that arent bias towards each model. a thread like this seems to come along every soo often
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You really need to drive each car back to back and make up your own mind. If you really can't make up your mind after driving both, get the lower miles car.
Fwiw, the 04 car has over 2000 changes from the 03 - Shigeru Uehara/Honda looked at the AP1 and re-engineered almost all aspects of the car.
Fwiw, the 04 car has over 2000 changes from the 03 - Shigeru Uehara/Honda looked at the AP1 and re-engineered almost all aspects of the car.
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From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
Originally Posted by Mocha,Feb 22 2009, 02:03 PM
I like both equally. I like the 9k redline of the ap1 and the looks of it more. But the Ap2 is safer and seems to have more potential in upgrades cuz of the 2.2 ltr.
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From: Deltona, FL
Originally Posted by macdaddies911,Feb 22 2009, 10:12 PM
you are obviously retarded... i don't care which one you buy but the points made here are pathetic and you're a tool
I'm giving my personal advice. Are any of the facts that I stated untrue? If so, I learned them here, so please correct me!
Sorry if I sound very biased, but hell, I'm passionate.
AP1's DO NOT SUCK! If they did, I wouldn't have fell in love with them back in the day in the first place. There are just a lot of improvements that started in MY04, and not many downsides (again, in my opinion), and most can be easily remedied.
Others have made good AP1 points in here, like better gearing. On that point, note that AP2 did replace synchros with carbon fiber parts to fix issues (or potential issues). Read up on that. Otherwise, I believe they are a direct swap in, no?
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Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
I say:
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
Do you want a faster car, or a car that revs to 8700 (the AP1 doesn't really rev to 9k)?
Both cars accelerate to 60mph and run the 1/4 in the same time. Check the sticky in the Street Encounters forum to see real world times...corrected for standard temp at sea level both run ~13.6 at best. The ap2 pulls harder in each gear due to the change in the tranny secondary reduction gear giving it effectively shorter gearing. However, the lower redline and shorter gearing cause the ap2 to shift more frequently costing time.
But for FI the faster car will depend on the tuner and ability to get traction.
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
Which bodywork to you prefer?
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
What about those wider AP2 wheels?
But for FI...I would want wider wheels than the ap2 to comfortably run 275s to get that traction.
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
How about that louder AP2 horn?
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
Whatever you do, watch out for the FUGLY carpet center console in the earlier models.
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
Would you prefer to not burn oil (get AP2)?
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
Does 1MPG highway difference bother you?
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
Have you compared Spa Yellow and Rio Yellow Pearl? Do it.
Originally Posted by Artric,Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
On that point, note that AP2 did replace synchros with carbon fiber parts to fix issues (or potential issues). Read up on that.
The ap2 tranny actually has a more frequent issue than the ap1 with the popping out of gear problem.
But overall issues with either tranny is pretty rare.
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Originally Posted by negcamber,Feb 23 2009, 07:22 PM
Some of those would be relevant if he weren't looking to go FI.
True that the ap1 doesn't redline at 9k...but it is 8900rpm; fuel cut off at 9100rpm. The ap2 redlines at 8000rpm and fuel cut off at 8200rpm.
Both cars accelerate to 60mph and run the 1/4 in the same time. Check the sticky in the Street Encounters forum to see real world times...corrected for standard temp at sea level both run ~13.6 at best. The ap2 pulls harder in each gear due to the change in the tranny secondary reduction gear giving it effectively shorter gearing. However, the lower redline and shorter gearing cause the ap2 to shift more frequently costing time.
But for FI the faster car will depend on the tuner and ability to get traction.
Subjective.
Stock, the ap2 wheels are an advantage, but not so much the width as the diameter. Currently there are few decent performance tires for 16" rims.
But for FI...I would want wider wheels than the ap2 to comfortably run 275s to get that traction.
Meh...both work...Hellas are better than either.
Subjective.
Valid on the early ap1...not so much on the 03 that the OP is considering.
LOL
Subjective.
The carbon synhros may improve ease of shifting...but having driven quite a few now, I have a hard time telling the difference.
The ap2 tranny actually has a more frequent issue than the ap1 with the popping out of gear problem.
But overall issues with either tranny is pretty rare.
True that the ap1 doesn't redline at 9k...but it is 8900rpm; fuel cut off at 9100rpm. The ap2 redlines at 8000rpm and fuel cut off at 8200rpm.
Both cars accelerate to 60mph and run the 1/4 in the same time. Check the sticky in the Street Encounters forum to see real world times...corrected for standard temp at sea level both run ~13.6 at best. The ap2 pulls harder in each gear due to the change in the tranny secondary reduction gear giving it effectively shorter gearing. However, the lower redline and shorter gearing cause the ap2 to shift more frequently costing time.
But for FI the faster car will depend on the tuner and ability to get traction.
Subjective.
Stock, the ap2 wheels are an advantage, but not so much the width as the diameter. Currently there are few decent performance tires for 16" rims.
But for FI...I would want wider wheels than the ap2 to comfortably run 275s to get that traction.
Meh...both work...Hellas are better than either.
Subjective.
Valid on the early ap1...not so much on the 03 that the OP is considering.
LOL
Subjective.
The carbon synhros may improve ease of shifting...but having driven quite a few now, I have a hard time telling the difference.
The ap2 tranny actually has a more frequent issue than the ap1 with the popping out of gear problem.
But overall issues with either tranny is pretty rare.
