Don't you mean 49 years ago?
Having a 'vintage' moment?

 

Scew quickest, quickest is useless based on the argument layed out by RedMx5. What's the averge time for all stock s2000? Averages are much more useful.

Also what's you link? Where'd you get the numbers?

 

I don't want to take sides even though the AP1 seems faster, but if those are autox numbers, then it's based on drivers most likely.

 

Yup...autox, where handling is tested to the extreme.

Might buy that for 2004...but not by 2006. And these drivers are not exactly new to the sport. Bob Klinger, who drove the quick AP2, has been around in autox for at least 15yrs...came up from running Miatas.

That doesn't seem to have stopped AP1 owners who started competing back in 2000. And those early s2k drivers quickly dominated the class.

The times are from the Stock class. Anyone running at that level at Nats will have modded the car pretty much to the max of the rules. Stock class allows any DOT tire (but on oem size wheels), front swaybar, and shocks (but not springs) at stock spring perch height. The AP2 actually has the advantage of being able to run much larger tires than the AP1 in stock class. The AP2 runs 245 fronts and 275 rears, while the AP1 runs 225 front and 265 rears.

[QUOTE=__redruM,May 4 2007, 11:43 AM] What's the averge time for all stock s2000?

 

Absolutely drivers are a factor...in autox and in the JDM vid that is so frequently used to "prove" the AP2 is faster than the AP1.

So if anything, this shows that the performance of the 2 cars are so close that as Willie Gee correctly points out: it's a drivers race. Both in 1/4 mile and handling.

Were there improvements for the AP2...absolutely: It's easier for most people to drive fast safely; it has better tire selection; it has strengthened components that were shown to break on the AP1; more tractable engine for daily driving. And it has some drawbacks: CDV; slower steering (not that I've ever noticed that personally); shorter legs in lower gears; softer rear springs (a necessary compromise for making the car easier to drive).

To each his own...but AP2 fanbois have nothing to look down on when they see an AP1 from a performance perspective.

 

Well my S is faster than yours, nut uh! is too, nut uh! that's what this sounds like, get what you like! , either way AP1 or 2 you will like because it is a S. But the AP1 is better, an fast just like a marsupial

 

fun thread! i traded in my 03 for an 06 primarily for the looks and the color. i do think that the ap1 is just way too dull looking, and its missing a lot, the ap2 makes up for it.

 

thanks for the answer billo!

 

You can't take two single autox races and and say anthing usefull about the difference between the AP1 and the AP2. You need to look at a couple hundred races and do the average. This will clearly tell you that the AP1 and AP2 are the Same Damn Car. But if you want to prove one is a hair better than another do the math. Should take about an hour to get useful numbers.

All that the TWO posted results tell you is that the very best AP1 driver is slightly better than the very best AP2 driver on that day. Useless trivia, given the question.