The point is there are clearly situations when lifting in the middle of a turn is a bad thing and a rookie mistake. And yes, if you go into sudden oversteer and lose time or worse, then there was something you didn't know about your car or the conditions.

However your blanket statement was just wrong. And back to the handling of the S2000. In a car that transitions to oversteer predictably and progressively at the limits, the driver can use weight transfer to adjust cornering attitude for certain types of corners (ie decreasing radius) effectively, without losing time. In fact your autox replay is exactly that type of situation! The irony of this is not lost on me.

So while you should know what your car can and can't do, you can drive a car a lot harder in the real world if you can trust it and have good communication of what it's going to do. Some people think the car is already predictable and perfect as it is. Others who are either used to something else or spend a lot of time driving other sports cars disagree. A lot of that depends on what situation we are driving in, and how our cars are set up and whether we are running race tires. To us, if Honda can make the car more progressive at the limits without ruining its agile nature, that is a good thing.

I can give an example of my '93 MR2. Throw some race tires on it and it can be a pretty tricky car to drive, oversteer on the menu on corner entry and in transitions. And once a mid engine car rotates past a certain point, there's no going back. Some might call that entertaining. But the fact is, after some simple tuning with alignment, front bar and shocks, the car is still balanced, and not only much faster but much more enjoyable to drive at the limit.

And as for this argument about "snap", this is just silly. You can "snap your fingers" without any rubber banding. And what of a borderline psychotic person who just "snaps"? Sudden and unpredictable transition to violent behavior. THAT's what I'm talkin' about!

Peter

 

BTW, from dictionary.com (since you suggested someone look up "snap" in the dictionary)

v. snapped, snap

 

Okay, Peter, you win.

Some of my previous statements were intentionally contrary to my true beliefs to encourage discussion. I think we're all on the same page at this point and we're all right depending on our interpretations of certain phrases and words.

Fair enough?

 

Ok, I think we've beaten this particular topic to death now. We all agree that lifting in a corner is a bad idea if you don't know what you're doing, but that it can be helpful in some situations.

I did a Google search looking for definitions of "snap oversteer", and apparently both are in use. ScoobyTuner.com says:

[QUOTE]Snap Oversteer: oversteer that begins suddenly and/or without much notice

 

As a point of order, I hope we're all mature enough to have informed discussions without anyone writing posts "intentionally contrary to [their] true beliefs" or insulting anyone else. There's a justifiably derogatory term for those kinds of posts, and I think we'd all be better off if we gave them a pass next time.

Steve

 

Yes it's all good. We each have our own definitions, that's fine. Hopefully we all know how to drive

On a lighter note, has anyone ever seen the book "Snaps"? It's basically the authorotative compilation of "Yo Momma" jokes

Peter

 

Snap Oversteer.

In this instance, the word "snap" is an adjective.

It is merely describing an oversteering condition where you lose control of the vehicle.

It isn't really that complicated.