[QUOTE]Originally posted by jyeung528
If the MY04 changes are IMPROVEMENTS, then why didn't they include the 2.2L engine for Europe and Japan?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Road Rage
I guess there is a message in there somewhere.

Mr. Uehara would likely say that "Honda seeks to successfully market its cars internationally, and that occasionally requires tailoring the vehicle to the demands and preferences of regional customers".

Is the US Accord "bad" because there is a dinky Accord sold in Europe and JDM?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PedalFaster
I have to disagree with both your definition and your conclusion here.

 

Did anyone notice the 0-60 time listed in the side bar? It said 5.9 sec (mfr.). I thought the 00-03 S2000 did 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and that the 04 would be as fast if not a slight amount faster then the 00-03. Does anyone have any thoughts on the 0-60 time?

- John

 

Gotta disagree QUIAKAG - unlike most here, and though I've got over 60 autocrosses under my belt a *few* drivers schools, along with skidpad and handling course training - I still don't pretend to be a great (even good) driver. However, if you claim that lifting mid corner means that you don't know how to drive then perhaps .......ahhhh keyboard flaming is for tha birds. Unless you don't consider breathing the throttle to tuck the nose lifting (if that is the case and you ONLY mean a full lift, then I stand corrected). Hey, trailing throttle is a well known technique for corner entry - lifting progressively on entry to help turn in. Also, many an accomplished driver do partial lifts to adjust the nose - ever been on a skidpad and steer with the throttle only? Ever gone in too hot to a fast sweeper and used a little throttle lift to get that nose in line? Well, perhaps you're actually to skilled to screw up a line, you are after all QUICK. Funny how I've watched incar of pro drivers lifting through a turn.

 

Yep, perhaps it is confusion as to what lift-throttle means. It is okay to partially lift and/or modulate the throttle. That's how I've been told to adjust the turn radius in my (ahem) one track instructional event, not just by sawing at the wheel. Rapidly and fully jumping off the throttle is another thing entirely.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by QUIKAG
If you're lifting throttle mid-corner then you don't know how to drive.

 

Dammit, I want a 04 so badly I can taste it now.

 

vroom, FCguy, pedalfaster:

I guess we're trying to describe different things. On what I personally term 'sweepers' where braking is not(or very minimally) required to set up for the velocity change and where basically engine braking is the only decelerative force required, throttle modulation is obviously critical to getting through the 'turn' as fast as possible. Trailing throttle as vroom mentions is a very important tool to loading the front end to assist turn-in, but again this is more of a 'sweeper' turn. However, if you're going full throttle into the sweeper and have to lift off the throttle fast enough to induce a lift oversteer situation or "snap oversteer" as you guys seem to define it, then you screwed up. PERIOD.

What I consider an actual CORNER is where throttle is reduced to 0% PRIOR to setting up for the velocity change, then braking and rev matched downshifting is addressed AGAIN prior to the entering the corner, apexed, and apply throttle just past the apex exiting the corner. That is a corner correctly navigated as far as I understand it. At no point, should you have to deal with 'lift throttle oversteer' in a true corner.

Steve, I did not mean to make a personal attack. Only thing I can say about that is "If the shoe fits, wear it."

Talking about roadracing/autocross techniques sucks, much more fun to be out doing it..

 

Maybe we have different definitions for things, but that doesn't mean you are any more right than Steve. I've always understood snap oversteer to be exactly what Steve says it is- sudden and violent transition to oversteer. Usually used to describe cars that are tricky to handle in lift throttle situations or otherwise. The type of pendulum/momentum weight jacking side-to-side thing you can do in basically any car, even one that has a heavy bias toward understeer. All you need is some ill judged violent steering inputs.

And saying that anyone who ever checks up mid corner or uses weight transfer to affect the balance of the car in any way doesn't know how to drive, no comment.

But you know what, you are entitled to your definitions and your driving style. Saying "you don't know what you're talking about" and "you don't know how to drive" to someone who I know for a fact does know what he's talking about and does know how to drive- well that would be a personal attack.

Peter