Which is better - Life with or without DBW & VSA?
Damn....whith all this VSA talk, now I am wondering if I should be considering 2005's at all. It seems like many of you feel that without the VSA system, my likelihood of losing control of the car is greatly increased. Again, now what to think?
Originally Posted by carrera4,Feb 16 2008, 08:56 PM
If you feel like you need the VSA to safely do a canyon run
Originally Posted by carrera4,Feb 16 2008, 08:56 PM
or a track day then you need to up your driving skills.
VSA is useful, on the road S2K are known to spin easily in wet conditions.
I personnally spin out with my S2K in 2ND gear 6500rpm accelerating in a corner with a pedestrian lane inside. If I had have VSA this could not happen, but I have an AP1 so I should upgrade my RWD driving skills and be drive safe on the road and streets.
tag on youtube : s2000 spin out
even on the dry track S2K spins...
I personnally spin out with my S2K in 2ND gear 6500rpm accelerating in a corner with a pedestrian lane inside. If I had have VSA this could not happen, but I have an AP1 so I should upgrade my RWD driving skills and be drive safe on the road and streets.
tag on youtube : s2000 spin out
even on the dry track S2K spins...
Originally Posted by __redruM,Feb 17 2008, 03:27 PM
You drive your car however you want, but telling complete strangers to turn their VSA off on a mountain road where a mistake means going over a cliff is a little stupid.
Come on guys, I don't care if you have three F1 championships under your belt, telling a complete stranger to turn off VSA for canyon runs is just crazy. Might as well tell them that only a wuss needs brakes, so drain the brake fluid before making a canyon run. Be brave rather than smart if you like, but advising others to do the same is just stupid.
Originally Posted by kane.s2k,Feb 15 2008, 11:22 AM
I can do without both. DBW doesn't give me that feel that I get as the TB opens more and gives me more resistance.
VSA is for people who probably shouldn't be driving any RWD sports car.
VSA is for people who probably shouldn't be driving any RWD sports car.
DBW is done very well in the S2000, it is far from any of those "horror story" DBW systems. I have nothing against it. On top of that, the engine bay is much simpler and cleaner. No throttle cable, no cruise control system and cable, no idle air control valve system; just a wire going to the servo unit on the throttle body.
The whole "VSA is for wimps because I'm a genetic duplicate of Michael Schumaker"/VSA makes the car less hardcore/whatever train of thought is just a load of caveman chest beating. There's an off switch. A real off switch, not one of those Lexus-style "off.....but still kinda on juuuuuuust in case" switches. Just shut it off. Argument invalid.
The whole "VSA is for wimps because I'm a genetic duplicate of Michael Schumaker"/VSA makes the car less hardcore/whatever train of thought is just a load of caveman chest beating. There's an off switch. A real off switch, not one of those Lexus-style "off.....but still kinda on juuuuuuust in case" switches. Just shut it off. Argument invalid.
Originally Posted by __redruM,Feb 17 2008, 01:27 PM
You drive your car however you want, but telling complete strangers to turn their VSA off on a mountain road where a mistake means going over a cliff is a little stupid.
I said if you feel you need VSA as a safety net to do a canyon run you shouldn't do the canyon run to begin with. The point is if I didn't think I could handle a drive without the VSA then I wouldn't do it period. But by all means keep the thing on for that little extra margin of safety, just don't count on it to bail you out.
This comes from the experience of knowing people that have gotten into serious trouble in their EVOs by relying on the yaw/stabilty controls and not knowing how to drive.




