My goodness bieg... did this thread really need to be beaten some more?

 

Well the guy who spent 16 grand to butcher his car was fresh meat for the grinder.

One thing is for sure is that those of us who prefer to keep ours in showroom condition will never be accused of bad taste,....well at least in regards to our S2000s anyway.

 

I stand in the middle on this issue. One one hand, Bieg makes a very strong point. In the somewhat distant future a virgin S2000 with documentation may become a collector car and the value will increase. It is a nice thought that all of us my still own our cars in 10 or 15 or 20 years, but the fact is that life tends to get the way. The car gets stolen, you run out of money, winter runs long and you sell it, these type of things happen and you will kick yourself later. Look at the market on classic muscle cars. Men my father's age (50ish) are now clammering to buy back the cars of their youth. My father is a Corvette collector so I have an in depth knowledge of the market. In hindsight my father should of never sold any car he ever owned. Again, life gets in the way.
At the same time, while pops and his buds were buying 65 Vettes, 63 Impala 409s and the like they were not keeping them stock. In fact they were ripping them apart and modifying the hell out of them. Only now is it in trend to bring a car back to factory correct condition.
I don't feel it is necessary to deprive myself the thrill of working up my car on the off chance that I may be lucky enough to own a decade from now. Nor do I feel it is reasonable to keep it factory fresh so the next guy can buy it and then start working it. I myself am somewhat of a "recovering ricer". Thought my cars were ALWAYS worked up cleanly and with taste it was easy for the ignorant to dismiss me as a ricer without really looking at all the effort I put in. I am now modding my S and will continue to do so, but with respect for the original lines and designs. I believe that is the true test of the car enthusiast.

 

dude! If you want to keep it stock and sell it in 25 years and make some money out of it then you shouldn't be driving it around. Buy the car, enjoy it, live your life. Life is too short to limit yourself to such little things. People mod their cars because they want to improve the car and make it distinctive. Making money and selling this car in 25 years is the last thing on my mind. Heck if I wanted to make money with my $32,000 I wouldn't buy a car. Why would I not enjoy my car now and modify it to my liking and even enhance it's performance. It doesn't make sense to wait till I'm 60 years old and sell it thinking that I saved a few grand by not modding it.
Also consider the rate of inflation and what todays dollar would be worth 25 years from now!

 

production cars are by definition "inherently compromised". the final product is diluted down to the lowest common denominator so douche-nozzle buyers do not become a overwhelming menace to corporate profits. for example the countless number of owners who can't heel and toe downshift, etc. The vision of the Honda designers and engineers was attenuated by lawyers and bean-counters. Consequently, it is your "duty" to modify the car to realize its true and intended potential......leaving it stock is for the ignorant, unimaginative and those with bad jobs.

 

You guys sound like a bunch of rekigious zealots. Always trying to convert everyone else to your way of thinking.

If you wanna mod, mod. If you don't, don't. Who gives a sh!t what others do? The answer to that question is: People who aren't secure enough in their own beliefs that they want everyone else to agree with them.

 

You mean like you feeling you have to interject YOUR views on a thread that is happily running along with 190 or so posts?

If you don't like the topic don't read or respond to it. Some of us are having a discussion and we don't really need YOU to tell us if it is ok or not to talk about this topic.

What you seem to forget is that there are constantly new members joining here who may be tossing around the idea about modding their cars. I present one side of the argument. others present the other side. This is exactly what a forum is about, the free and open exchange of ideas.

Of course there is always someone like you who has a stick up their butt trying to tell people what they are allowed to talk about. Such is life.

Sounds to me like YOU are threatened by these ideas otherwise why would you care what WE are discussing?

 

yeah, keep it stock........don't fix the pretensioner recall, or any other TSB. GET A CLUE!

 

Some of which are mine

I think you may be putting words in my mouth. I don't say people shouldn't express their opinions. I expressed a third opinion which is that people should listen to themselves rather than others.

Ditto the above. I don't say you can't express your opinion and never have. Same goes for the pro-moders. And I'd watch the but references. Wasn't it yours that got kicked last time?

Nice spin Bieg. But all it really does is support my argument. Unless of course you are on some noble quest to save the ignorant S2000 owners from the evil aftermarket.

 

The S2000 is quite possibly the LEAST compromised car for anywhere near it's price.

Just as an example I have yet to see anyone post a dyno sheet that shows a 20 HP or more gain (naturally aspirated). So how much was compromised in an engine that produces 120HP/Liter at 9000 RPMs?

Did they compromise on the tires? The S02s are probably the best possible tire. Some will claim they are NOT ENOUGH OF A COMPROMISE. They are too sharp edged for the average driver on the street.

Did they compromise when they left it as an oversteering car? If they wanted to dumb it down for liability reasons they would have dialed in a dose of understeer like 99.9% of the rest of the cars sold.

I suggest that many people mod this car before they are even a good enough driver to realize just what they have.

I agree that the best mod anyone can make is a good high performance driving school. It should be first.

MANY of the mods I see being done are NOT improving the car. They MAY improve the LOOK to some but dynamically they are not improvements.

IMHO ruining the dynamics of the S2000 so it "looks cool" in some import car show is a sin.