Common S2000 "myths" debunked....
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As far as "no torque" is concerned, think about it this way. It takes very little finess to stuff a gigantic engine into a car and make it go fast in a straight line. It take a LOT more engineering to produce a 2 liter engine (without any turbo and such) capable of delivering 200+ hp, and great handling!
I don't know why "turbo-ing", or supercharging a car is considered "trick". It's a fairly straight forward process. Try building a 9000RPM redline 2 liter engine in a PRODUCTION automobile! S2000 rules.
I don't know why "turbo-ing", or supercharging a car is considered "trick". It's a fairly straight forward process. Try building a 9000RPM redline 2 liter engine in a PRODUCTION automobile! S2000 rules.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yu888
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Actually, I would say the the S2000 has about as much torque as can be expected from a 2.0L engine of this type, and while it isn't torquey like a V8, it definitely has enough torque for most drivers. "No torque" would technically be inaccurate.
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Actually, I would say the the S2000 has about as much torque as can be expected from a 2.0L engine of this type, and while it isn't torquey like a V8, it definitely has enough torque for most drivers. "No torque" would technically be inaccurate.
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While I am a big fan of the small block Chevy and in the Z06 it is truly in fine form, to get 120HP/Liter from it would require some expensive parts. NASCAR engines can put out big HP numbers and run 9000 RPMs but they cost a small fortune to build. They also don't have to meet EPA and noise restrictions and only have to last a little bit more than one race before being rebuilt. They also don't have to worry about warranties.
As stated before there are many parts of the world where they are taxed on displacement. In the good old USA that is not a concern and wastefull design prevails. Honda is used to designing to certain displacement levels. In all the forms of racing they enter displacement is what determins the class. GP bikes, motocross, SuperBike, Formula-1, CART, etc... all have displacement limitations. American Hot Rodding (just stuff a bigger engine in it) is effective but somewhat artless. With what Honda knows about engine design it would be no problem for them to build bigger engines. The hard work is done. Combustion efficiency, close tollerance manufacturing, cost effective production techniques etc... have all been developed. Making the engines bigger is not a problem for them.
On the other hand it is not quite as easy to make the big American iron more efficient while maintaining reliability and cost effectiveness, not to mention making it EPA friendly. GM is making progress in that direction with the NorthStar engine and it's variants. Ford has it's modular V8 program. It is a new way of thinking for them (do more with less) and they certainly will get there but one has to admire how Honda has led the way.
...and yes there is art in engineering and some people appreciate it in the products they buy.
As stated before there are many parts of the world where they are taxed on displacement. In the good old USA that is not a concern and wastefull design prevails. Honda is used to designing to certain displacement levels. In all the forms of racing they enter displacement is what determins the class. GP bikes, motocross, SuperBike, Formula-1, CART, etc... all have displacement limitations. American Hot Rodding (just stuff a bigger engine in it) is effective but somewhat artless. With what Honda knows about engine design it would be no problem for them to build bigger engines. The hard work is done. Combustion efficiency, close tollerance manufacturing, cost effective production techniques etc... have all been developed. Making the engines bigger is not a problem for them.
On the other hand it is not quite as easy to make the big American iron more efficient while maintaining reliability and cost effectiveness, not to mention making it EPA friendly. GM is making progress in that direction with the NorthStar engine and it's variants. Ford has it's modular V8 program. It is a new way of thinking for them (do more with less) and they certainly will get there but one has to admire how Honda has led the way.
...and yes there is art in engineering and some people appreciate it in the products they buy.
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I partly agree with it......LOOK AT THE CAR YOU ARE COMPARING IT TO??? I used to have a dohc Vtec Del Sol and it had NOOOOOO torque...sorry to break it but the S2000 does not either....love my little car but it has NOOOO torque...did I mention it has not torque....if you would have owned a car that had 200lbs + torque you would know what I mean....480lbs of torque and now you are talking :-)
Now as far as handling goes, the S is the BEST handling car I have ever driven...enough said....no torque though
Now as far as handling goes, the S is the BEST handling car I have ever driven...enough said....no torque though
