Comparing the S2000 with the Boxster 2.7 and Boxster S
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Originally posted by alpinepass
I think everybody is really after a graph which plots what is known as tractive effort (corresponds to F) in each gear - i.e. all the relevant factors of gear ratios, final drive ratios and wheel sizes are included and plotted against speed.
I think everybody is really after a graph which plots what is known as tractive effort (corresponds to F) in each gear - i.e. all the relevant factors of gear ratios, final drive ratios and wheel sizes are included and plotted against speed.
Originally posted by alpinepass
Where the curves for the respective gears cross is also the optimum shift point - not always at the redline although for a revvy little unit like the S2K I rather suspect it is close to the redline.
Where the curves for the respective gears cross is also the optimum shift point - not always at the redline although for a revvy little unit like the S2K I rather suspect it is close to the redline.
Originally posted by alpinepass
Where are the cheapest S2Ks in Europe before taxes?? Wanna order one and have diplomatic tax free status.
Where are the cheapest S2Ks in Europe before taxes?? Wanna order one and have diplomatic tax free status.
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From: Lagru
Originally posted by Luis
The weight is fairly similar for these cars. Unfortunately, short of weighing individual cars we don't know if they represent the reality. Standards vary a lot. In the EU weight specs are regulated and European constructirs have to report according to these regulations (which BTW scales in the 2.7 and S at 1335kgs and 1370kgs respectively). Unfortunately I cannot find an equivalent number for the S2000.
The weight is fairly similar for these cars. Unfortunately, short of weighing individual cars we don't know if they represent the reality. Standards vary a lot. In the EU weight specs are regulated and European constructirs have to report according to these regulations (which BTW scales in the 2.7 and S at 1335kgs and 1370kgs respectively). Unfortunately I cannot find an equivalent number for the S2000.
I've just found the bit of paper I made my original purchase short list on in July. One of the bits of data I collected was the power to weight ratio for each car (bhp per tonne) ...
TVR Chimaera 4.5 = 273
Boxster S = 218 (I think - can't read my writing!)
S2000 = 191
Boxster = 179
Z3 3.0 = 173
Lotus Elise = 159
Audi TT 225 = 159
Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 = 155
Is this information of any value?
Pete
P.S. I'm still on for a visit to Dallas 24th - 31st October if anyone's going to be around
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From: Melbourne
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Boxster S = 218
S2000 = 191
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Your Boxster S "weight to power" seems to be wrong (or is it the S2000 figure that is wrong). Here's thew weight and power for the two cars:
Boxster S = 1295kg, 185kW (250hp)
S2000 - 1259kg, 178kW (240hp)
As you can see the "weight to power" is in facour of the Boxster S, but only by about 1%, not 10% as you have in your list.
ps. "weight to power" figures are a very loose aproximation of car's straiglhine performance. You need to look for the area under the power curve (and just just at the peak) just like Luis did.
Boxster S = 218
S2000 = 191
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Your Boxster S "weight to power" seems to be wrong (or is it the S2000 figure that is wrong). Here's thew weight and power for the two cars:
Boxster S = 1295kg, 185kW (250hp)
S2000 - 1259kg, 178kW (240hp)
As you can see the "weight to power" is in facour of the Boxster S, but only by about 1%, not 10% as you have in your list.
ps. "weight to power" figures are a very loose aproximation of car's straiglhine performance. You need to look for the area under the power curve (and just just at the peak) just like Luis did.
, you know they do!
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2000 Honda S2000 2 Dr STD Convertible MSRP $32,740
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price $26,302 $28,549 $30,623
2000 Porsche Boxster 2 Dr STD Convertible MSRP $42,865
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price $32,603 $34,282 $35,831
Source: Edmunds.com
Don't forget these numbers S2000 owners. The guy in the Porsche is out about another Four Grand in the first twelve months of ownership. But as someone else already mentioned, they are both beautiful. I feel the Honda Engineers (actually the NSX team) made a stunning achievement with the performance and price of the S2000.
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price $26,302 $28,549 $30,623
2000 Porsche Boxster 2 Dr STD Convertible MSRP $42,865
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
Base Price $32,603 $34,282 $35,831
Source: Edmunds.com
Don't forget these numbers S2000 owners. The guy in the Porsche is out about another Four Grand in the first twelve months of ownership. But as someone else already mentioned, they are both beautiful. I feel the Honda Engineers (actually the NSX team) made a stunning achievement with the performance and price of the S2000.
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