I've noticed a lot of cars that have that style of front end. Look at the cadillac evoq and nissan gtr concept cars too. Those cars all remind me of the 6000 SUX from robocop too... Funny they were trying to make that ugly

 

On the torque thing:
I have one dyno chart someone posted, and the crank dyno chart from the Honda SAE paper. The former shows about 85-86% available from 2700 rpm on up with a significant bump on the second cam where 90%+ is available through 8500. The official Honda curve shows about 88% avail from 3000 rpm up (78% at 2000), with 92%+ avail from 5500 past 8500. Not too different from what Cthree posted.
Compare to a '95 E36 M3 curve off the net: 80% @ 2250, 90% @ 3000, back down to 85% @ 6500.

Not sure what this all says. I imagine it depends on the course as to whether you'll be caught way out of gear. Also, by the nature of the close-ratio 6-speed, you'll have to do more shifting. But it'll keep you closer to the power peak.

Perhaps, but do you know an engine that does?

Last data pt: '91 E30 M3, 2.3L, 192 hp, 170 lb-ft. 74 lb-ft/L. Not bad for '91!

 

It would seem that perhaps the designers of all these cars must drink wood alcohol at the same bar during happy hour. None of these cars fell very far from the ugly tree.

 

Ah yes! The 6000SUX from Robocop:



The memories...

 

Fugly. Clumsy teutonic design, and not a graceful line in sight. Kind of reminds me of the stuff the Nazi architects designed for Hitler.

 

70,80,90 percent of nothing is still nothing -- The S2000 has no torque -- period.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by E30M3
[B]>>i dont trust bmw's reliability. the car looks great though<<

Can you be more specific?

 

Do these German sytlists tie bricks to their hands when they draw new BMWs?

 

>>I have owned 10 Honda vehicles and have had some small problems, especially water pumps on the older models but nothing like this.
BMW makes great driving machines, but reliable, NO! <<

I am not saying that civics and accords are unreliable. But if you bring it up it makes me wonder out loud about the s2k. It does seem to have an unHondalike number of service issues. If so it will take a few years to come out cuz you can't really go by board posts. I've been driving Bimmers hard for many years and have not had any big issues. They seem to have been designed to hold up when driven hard and enthusiasticly.

If one were interested, I suppose that some of those quality surveys would give a rough idea of reliability. These days nearly every car is bulletproof reliable compared to say 10-20 years ago. If you really dig into it, some cars considered unreliable these days have rather tiny flaws. Quality is a moving target.

I'm not sure why folks are so hard on the Z5 styling..it's a spy pic from a magazine. Who knows what the car will really look like. I think that the main thing is that they want to make a nice driving machine. BMW, like Honda, gets it. I'd like to see BMW make some lighter, smaller cars. I'd like to see Honda get some torque and steering feel, and improve at the limit behavior.

Stan

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rick Hesel
[B]Fugly.