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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 01:53 PM
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Nope. Its an on/off switch. If I (like I do now) have the button in the 'on' position i.e. green light, it will stay that way forever until I turn it off(usually by accident when cleaning the dash). If it is on when I turn the car off, it will be on when I turn the car on and visa versa.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Oct 12 2005, 03:47 PM
So if you turn the cruise off, and shut off the car, your cruise is on by default when you restart the car?
Sorry if I misled you and sorry for hijacking this thread by using that example. Whodda thunk it would generate so much interest.

OK, here's what it does. If it's left ON, it will always be ON when you turn the car off and then back on again. If it's left OFF, it will always be OFF the next time you operate your car. I'm just a little surprised when you say you always have to turn yours ON. This tells me that regardless of what position you have the button in, it will be OFF the next time you use the car.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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Its a matter of perspective. I always keep mine off, unless I plan on using it, at which time I'll turn it on. When I'm done with it, I turn it off. So for me, its always off.

You want to talk about automatic transmissions in the S now?
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:31 PM
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The cruise thing is actually relevant.

Generally stability control systems are "on" by default. No matter what the state of the switch was when you shut off the car, it is on again when you start the car.

The S2000 cruise control works on a different principle. It retains the state of the switch -- there is no "default" position that it always reverts to.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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[QUOTE=MulderATO,Oct 12 2005, 04:42 PM]Actually Ole' Bill said:
"It depends upon what the meaning of the word is means. If is means is, and never has been, that's one thing. If it means, there is none, that was a completely true statement."
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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What do you do when the DBW gets stuck on when your braking or going around a turn? I have heard horror stories in the past when this DBW was used.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by duff0000,Oct 12 2005, 08:40 PM
What do you do when the DBW gets stuck on when your braking or going around a turn? I have heard horror stories in the past when this DBW was used.
I've heard of more problems with a traditional throttle cable getting stuck.

In fact, how can a digital throttle system even get "stuck?" There isn't even a physical connection between the pedal and the throttle body.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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I had DBW in 2 Audi S4's (2001 and 2004) before bailing and buying a 2005 S2k with drive by cable instead. I am a pretty dedicated track junkie and have more than a slight clue what I am doing with the throttle.

I absolutely *DESPISE* having an onboard computer making decisions on how to interpret what I asked my car to do and at the moment refuse to even consider purchasing a vehicle that inlcudes this misfeature.

I am glad I got my S2k in 2005 before they screwed up the driver inputs.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 11:06 PM
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uhm. buy the 06. buy 05 ecu, and throttle body,throttle cable and pedal assembly. now make sure by the wire diagram that all pins are correct, and plug in the 05 ecu and have your key coded to it. done. you now have cable throttle again. easy. dbw is lame. i work on vws all day. yes torque based management will adjust the throttle plate to optimum no matter where your foot is. later dave
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by koala,Oct 12 2005, 08:20 PM
I've heard of more problems with a traditional throttle cable getting stuck.

In fact, how can a digital throttle system even get "stuck?" There isn't even a physical connection between the pedal and the throttle body.
Let's correlate this to other digital things that you own that never get stuck...

Your PC never crashes or needs a reboot.
Your cellphone or PDA never crashes either.
This website never encounters trouble either.

Need I continue? Just because something lives in the digital realm doesn't make it inherently more stable
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