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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZDan
1000cc twins do not make more torque than 1000cc I4s, total MYTH. How someone came to the conclusion that a twin that runs out of breath at 11k somehow has more low-end/midrange torque than a 1000cc I4 that revs to 13k+ is beyond me.

I have a 650cc SV650 and I had an RSV Tuono 1000. I love 90degree twins! But fours make just as much torque and rev higher. But they are MUCH wider. From a packaging standpoint, I think twins make a lot of sense. For outright power production, you can't beat the I4s.
More usable power low in the rev range makes the twin a more street friendly motorcycle. This is a fact. Fours do make more power, but not throughout the rev range with "usable" power. Read the details of the post.
You answer the question in your own post.
The twin does run out of breath at 11k or so. It makes its power (read: torque) down low... that would be below 11k... as I said, "low in the rev range". Fours do make more power (HP) but their power is usually made above 7.5 to 8k and up, and like to do their business HIGH in the rev range, and don't have the off the turn grunt like twins and usually can over come twins on longer straights. I know this because I have raced both and just about any racer knows this. Don't argue a point not made.


Old Nov 29, 2011 | 08:57 PM
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the s2000 was doomed from the start. fat meat fisted americans that don't know how to drive and have no respect for anything that doesn't have "muscle" killed the s2000. im just happy that they sold and made as many as they did when they did, now i get to own an amazing piece of machinery for a (IMO) low initial cost.
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by G
This is why I got an 03 - last year of the F20.
^^^^This.
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:06 AM
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I think honda read this thread and decided if these were the type of people that are buying this car we should go ahead and stop making it.
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:28 AM
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Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.

I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:34 AM
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^^^Your point is moot. The S800 revved over 10k rpms...making the AP1 "trashed the tradition" if you're going to take that route. I'd rather have a 2.2L that revs to 8k than a 791cc motor revving to even 11k...why? Because RACECAR
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 08:22 AM
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8000rpm or 9000rpm are merely facts and are a feature that make the S2000 interesting and different than most others. The only thing that really counts is how this car performs regardless of RPM's. If the car achieved the same performance at 5000rpm, would this be a lesser car? IMO, no. It would be just an accomplishment of a different design.
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 08:36 AM
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Very good point. RPMs don't sell cars, performance and value do.
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 08:48 AM
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8k or 9k, its still a generally slow car, No Hondas are intended to be race cars from factory and a 9k rev limiter is a little much for the average driver that only uses so much of his power band. It other things that sell the s2k and to be honest id say the impracticality of the car is exactly what effected its sales. I certinaly wouldnt complain about the price of the car considering how fun it is to drive and its low cost compared to all other cars in its class.
Old Nov 30, 2011 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 03 9g
Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.

I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
In spite of all of the information provided in this thread debunking your theory, you continue trying to make some point that seems to be more a matter of your opinion than based on any facts. Some might argue that the AP1 is the "softer" version of the s2k as it had less horsepower and torque, a weaker differential and synchros, less tire width, etc. You speak of being proud of fellow owners, yet you are not setting a very good example yourself. Don't ask a questions like "Did 8k kill the s2000" if you are clearly not asking a question but rather trying to force your theory on others no matter what their reply may be.



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