OK fellas, one of the issues surrounding the S is that of the Geek. There are just too many of them out there driving this car. I saw one here in SD, parking in front of the La Jolla Tower Records. He had gloves on such as you describe. At that time I wanted to bring up the topic to see just how many of him are out there. It seems that on your own you have raised your hands and stated boldly, I am a Dweeb and I am proud of it! I give a thumbs up to those that have created this site and all the information passed along. I love my car and thus I get to associate with you. Please work to stop the propagation of the techno-geek driving the S wearing his gloves, listening to his MP3 player, and thinking about how to create more bandwidth for people to enjoy his all-holy Marsha Brady website!