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You are limited by the amount of space under the wheel well. If you go too far inboard, you'll hit suspension parts, mufflers, the wheel well itself, etc. If you go too far outboard, you'll rub the top of the wheel well, need to build up the fender so you don't fling mud and rocks all over the place. The current generation of wide wheels and tires can accomplish this well enough as they already can extend the width of tires and wheels to the limit of compatability. If you were to replace this width with duallies, you would now lose the rubber to the ground that is taken up by the space between the two wheels/tires. By doing this, you have just REDUCED your size of contact patch. Where is your extra "tire on the ground now"?
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Originally Posted by xviper,Oct 24 2004, 11:13 AM
You are limited by the amount of space under the wheel well. If you go too far inboard, you'll hit suspension parts, mufflers, the wheel well itself, etc. If you go too far outboard, you'll rub the top of the wheel well, need to build up the fender so you don't fling mud and rocks all over the place. The current generation of wide wheels and tires can accomplish this well enough as they already can extend the width of tires and wheels to the limit of compatability. If you were to replace this width with duallies, you would now lose the rubber to the ground that is taken up by the space between the two wheels/tires. By doing this, you have just REDUCED your size of contact patch. Where is your extra "tire on the ground now"?
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Alright well correct me if I'm wrong but just like wider rims, more tire on the ground means better traction, doesn't it? true
So then having twice the tire on the ground means a lot more traction. true only if you were planning to go only in a straight line
So then having twice the tire on the ground means a lot more traction. true only if you were planning to go only in a straight line
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Maybe it's me and not you guys at all but it seems that somebody is missing the whole point here.
The widest tire in existence today is a 345 size. These are found on Vipers and Ferarris. So, if you are going to go with this size of tire, the S2000 would need extensive modifying. But for now, let's say modding the car is no problem.
What we have here is two lines of thought:
1. You want to put "duallies" (ie, TWO wheels and tires) to make up this width. Now, if you did this, you may have 345 worth of edge to edge rubber on the road, BUT, you have that space between the two tires where there is NO rubber on the ground. Thus, you have less than 345 of actually rubber on the ground. You would have been better off with one tire that REALLY had 345 of rubber on the ground.
2. You want to put "duallies" with tires that will give you MORE than 345 worth of rubber on the ground (since 345 is the widest you can go). Before I go on, just let me say this: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY NUTS, GOOFY, WEIRD AND GENERALLY INSANE! First of all, the S2000 simply does NOT have the power to use this amount of traction in a straight line. Second, the S2000 does NOT have enough weight or down force to use this kind of traction in a corner.
Given this information, please tell me: Am I the IDIOT here?????
The widest tire in existence today is a 345 size. These are found on Vipers and Ferarris. So, if you are going to go with this size of tire, the S2000 would need extensive modifying. But for now, let's say modding the car is no problem.
What we have here is two lines of thought:
1. You want to put "duallies" (ie, TWO wheels and tires) to make up this width. Now, if you did this, you may have 345 worth of edge to edge rubber on the road, BUT, you have that space between the two tires where there is NO rubber on the ground. Thus, you have less than 345 of actually rubber on the ground. You would have been better off with one tire that REALLY had 345 of rubber on the ground.
2. You want to put "duallies" with tires that will give you MORE than 345 worth of rubber on the ground (since 345 is the widest you can go). Before I go on, just let me say this: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY NUTS, GOOFY, WEIRD AND GENERALLY INSANE! First of all, the S2000 simply does NOT have the power to use this amount of traction in a straight line. Second, the S2000 does NOT have enough weight or down force to use this kind of traction in a corner.
Given this information, please tell me: Am I the IDIOT here?????
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Well firstly yes I am goofy, nuts, insane, and all that. I'm proud of it. I'm not a redneck but then everyone is a redneck in someone else's opinion. I don't think any of you are idiots thats why I'm asking you questions. Thank you for pointing out the loss of tread due to sidewalls, hadn't thought of that. It does ruin the idea, and only a solid rim makes sense now. As for the S being underpowered for this type of thing, well maybe that's the next step. Who knows.
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Just to continue on that line of thought. You're also adding more unsprung weight to the drive wheels. You've have to engineer a better braking system. And you're throwing the front to rear traction balance out the window.
If traction were your ultimate goal you'd be better off with wider wheels front and back and the stickiest rubber for the application. Keeping in mind that wider wheels up front will affect the steering to some degree.
If traction were your ultimate goal you'd be better off with wider wheels front and back and the stickiest rubber for the application. Keeping in mind that wider wheels up front will affect the steering to some degree.
