Engine Reliability
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Originally posted by GChambers
You must be joking, right? I did not read any "generalization" in his post at all. He simply stated that his friend was on his 3rd engine in his Corvette. Not only does that seem like a very specific statement but there was no bashing involved at all. I hate when people create assumptions about statements for no apparent reason.
You must be joking, right? I did not read any "generalization" in his post at all. He simply stated that his friend was on his 3rd engine in his Corvette. Not only does that seem like a very specific statement but there was no bashing involved at all. I hate when people create assumptions about statements for no apparent reason.
I check my oil all the time, and the level drops more than I've ever experienced in any other car.
This doesn't meen that the F20C sucks, it meens that it consumes more oil than average.
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You're way out of line, bub!
He has the 2002 model, bought it brand new.
No, there is no "blatant generalization" about reporting what happened to the only person I know who has a Z06.
To be specific, he experienced a failure of a spring in an exhaust valve, causing the first engine to destruct.
When the dealer replaced the engine, they failed to replace the intake manifold, as specified by GM. That led to the second engine sucking in debris that also destroyed it.
After the second engine replacement, GM wound up giving my friend a six-year, no-deductible extended warranty.
By the way, an examination of the CPU log showed the redline was not exceeded anytime these events occurred.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606
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He has the 2002 model, bought it brand new.
No, there is no "blatant generalization" about reporting what happened to the only person I know who has a Z06.
To be specific, he experienced a failure of a spring in an exhaust valve, causing the first engine to destruct.
When the dealer replaced the engine, they failed to replace the intake manifold, as specified by GM. That led to the second engine sucking in debris that also destroyed it.
After the second engine replacement, GM wound up giving my friend a six-year, no-deductible extended warranty.
By the way, an examination of the CPU log showed the redline was not exceeded anytime these events occurred.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606
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Originally posted by GChambers
You must be joking, right? I did not read any "generalization" in his post at all. He simply stated that his friend was on his 3rd engine in his Corvette. Not only does that seem like a very specific statement but there was no bashing involved at all. I hate when people create assumptions about statements for no apparent reason.
You must be joking, right? I did not read any "generalization" in his post at all. He simply stated that his friend was on his 3rd engine in his Corvette. Not only does that seem like a very specific statement but there was no bashing involved at all. I hate when people create assumptions about statements for no apparent reason.
back to the original question: a lot of the engine failures in S2000s seems to be because of factory flukes that exaggerate themselves when the engine is brought up to higher RPMs. with cars like the Civic, Accord, etc, something like a tolerance problem in a valve seat would never really show itself until years later. in the S2000, at 9000RPM, that little tolerance problem becomes a big problem.
Originally posted by Hondafan
Honda is not only the largest engine manufacturer in the world. it is widely accepted as the best engine manufacturer in the world as well. I would expect few problems with the F20C, just like any other Honda motor. They are simply the best.
Honda is not only the largest engine manufacturer in the world. it is widely accepted as the best engine manufacturer in the world as well. I would expect few problems with the F20C, just like any other Honda motor. They are simply the best.
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From: Austin
cdelena, Honda makes engines for all kinds of applications, from cars, to motorcycles, to lawnmowers, to outboard motors for boats, etc. I don't have a complete list, but I suspect that Honda does have a good shot at the #1 total numbers of engines built category 
No idea where Honda stands on the list of automobile engines produced.
No idea where Honda stands on the list of automobile engines produced.
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From: Rochester
Yes, I think that total includes lawn mowers, generators, motor cycles etc. By car engines alone, no they are a long way from number one. Nnot that either being #1 in engines, or not being #1 in cars means anything important per se. But they do make nice engines.
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From: Cary
Not to get too academic here, but this might help explain why I'm not worried about the engine in the S2k.
In business school, they teach (or at least used to) something called "Core Competence".
Now, like anything that gets trendy, that term got so overused that it lost it's original meaning. But what it meant was that when a business considered expanding, they should stick to products or services that use what they're best at -- their best skills, or "core competencies".
I had occasion, about a dozen or so years ago, to read the Harvard Business Review article that defined that term. Would you like to know what they used as one of their primary examples?
Honda, and engines.
It was widely accepted in business circles that Honda's main advantage over its cometitors was that it made the best engines. So it followed that much of their business success was due to the fact that whatever they branched out into still took advantage of that strength.
Remember, this was in a business context. That doesn't necessarily mean that a honda is going to dust every drag happy muscle car that comes up beside it. It means that customers will like it, and it's not going to cost Honda much in warranty work and customer relations issues.
That's why I'm not worried about the reliability of the engine in my S2K.
In business school, they teach (or at least used to) something called "Core Competence".
Now, like anything that gets trendy, that term got so overused that it lost it's original meaning. But what it meant was that when a business considered expanding, they should stick to products or services that use what they're best at -- their best skills, or "core competencies".
I had occasion, about a dozen or so years ago, to read the Harvard Business Review article that defined that term. Would you like to know what they used as one of their primary examples?
Honda, and engines.
It was widely accepted in business circles that Honda's main advantage over its cometitors was that it made the best engines. So it followed that much of their business success was due to the fact that whatever they branched out into still took advantage of that strength.
Remember, this was in a business context. That doesn't necessarily mean that a honda is going to dust every drag happy muscle car that comes up beside it. It means that customers will like it, and it's not going to cost Honda much in warranty work and customer relations issues.
That's why I'm not worried about the reliability of the engine in my S2K.