Expensive Gas - Does the s2000 HAVE to have it?
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You are certainly entitled to an opinion. I would just expect more responsible behavior from someone who's been appointed a moderator than being called a "retard."
I think "ignorance" could also refer to one's lack of knowledge about previous posts in the thread.
If you had bothered to read my posts you would understand that I always put in premium. Goodness gracious. Look how much of the stuff I've quoted to respond to you - stuff that was already said before you posted. It is evidence that you did not even bother reading the entire thread before calling people names. FearlessFife says that this isn't pre-school, but this kind of behavior seems pretty adolescent to me.
I know exactly how it works, there is no need. The reason I continue to respond is that I am advocating freedom of speech without fear of hassle, less hostility, and more mutual courteousness and respect.
Yes, this is just an internet forum and not a courtroom. But s2ki has come to mean a lot more to me - and frankly this kind of behavior would have completely turned me off. Fortunately I started browsing Mid-A and not here, or I would have had an entirely different perception of S2000 owners.
I have experienced some of the greatest and thrilling experiences of my life because of activities that originate from this community, like Fall Colors. To think that some may miss out on that opportunity because of a few people that are eager to label other people as "dumb" and "retard"ed because the man asked a simple question... is shameful to me.
Now I think I understand what the older folks mean when they say they miss how it used to be.
Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 07:43 PM
When you buy the car it says.. "Premium Fuel Only" , that isn't a reccomendation. It is there to protect the motor.
Originally Posted by Dave-ROR,Nov 10 2005, 10:27 AM
Actually he's not. "Premium Unleaded Fuel Only" refers to exactly what he said.
If you want to come up with a real arguement, feel free, but don't just post crap to get the last word in.
If you want to come up with a real arguement, feel free, but don't just post crap to get the last word in.
Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 07:43 PM
Do you think Honda will warranty anything that happens to a motor with someone running 87 octane? Maybe if your lucky and know somebody. It's like going to McDonalds, getting a cup of coffee that says HOT.. then pouring it on yourself and saying "Oh Crap, that's hot!!!"
When you start having engine problems and the car doesn't run right.... it is the same principal.. well it says 91+... but who cares about that I'm putting 87 in it. The only possible way your going to not run into as many problems with this is if you drive the car out of VTEC all the time and never switch cam lobes.
When you start having engine problems and the car doesn't run right.... it is the same principal.. well it says 91+... but who cares about that I'm putting 87 in it. The only possible way your going to not run into as many problems with this is if you drive the car out of VTEC all the time and never switch cam lobes.
Originally Posted by PopTarts,Nov 8 2005, 07:02 PM
I still use premium, and always will. Don't get me wrong. I just don't think people who have different opinions and preferences should be flamed because their opinions are different from the majority opinion.
Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 07:43 PM
Your condensending remarks do nothing to add to this thread either, maybe if your the smart one you would like to go to Honda and tell them that its ok to put a lower grade octane in a car with 11.0:1 compression and they should rethink their degrees.
Originally Posted by PopTarts,Nov 9 2005, 09:20 PM
From the article that I clearly linked to above:
The main advantage of premium-grade gas is that it allows automakers to advertise a few more horsepower by designing and tuning engines to take advantage of premium's anti-knock properties. But auto engineers generally agree that if you use regular in a premium engine, the power loss is so slight, most drivers can't tell.
"I go back and forth, and I'm hard-pressed to notice" whether there's regular or premium in the tank, says Jeff Jetter, principal chemist at Honda Research and Development Americas. He drives an Acura designed for premium.
"I go back and forth, and I'm hard-pressed to notice" whether there's regular or premium in the tank, says Jeff Jetter, principal chemist at Honda Research and Development Americas. He drives an Acura designed for premium.
Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 07:43 PM
Just because I am a moderator doesn't mean I can't have an opinion and freely express it.
Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 07:43 PM
The ignorance level is dumbfounding to me that is involved in a simple task as knowing what octane to run in a sports car. Yes, ignorance is an ok word to use since it refers to one's lack of knowledge about a certain subject.
If you had bothered to read my posts you would understand that I always put in premium. Goodness gracious. Look how much of the stuff I've quoted to respond to you - stuff that was already said before you posted. It is evidence that you did not even bother reading the entire thread before calling people names. FearlessFife says that this isn't pre-school, but this kind of behavior seems pretty adolescent to me.
Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 07:43 PM
If you would like for me to explain detonation and why it occurs on a lower octane fuel and what the damages that can occur from doing this I will. 
Yes, this is just an internet forum and not a courtroom. But s2ki has come to mean a lot more to me - and frankly this kind of behavior would have completely turned me off. Fortunately I started browsing Mid-A and not here, or I would have had an entirely different perception of S2000 owners.
I have experienced some of the greatest and thrilling experiences of my life because of activities that originate from this community, like Fall Colors. To think that some may miss out on that opportunity because of a few people that are eager to label other people as "dumb" and "retard"ed because the man asked a simple question... is shameful to me.
Now I think I understand what the older folks mean when they say they miss how it used to be.
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Like its been said. .... yea you can 87... just don't plan on driving the car hard, or else it will lead to problems. You can cut corners all day long on things and penny pinch to save money. So you save $7000 by cutting corners and buying cheap tires that you can't push the car as hard on, cheap gas etc... 70k miles... thats roughly 4-6 years of ownership... Say you don't go out to eat and save an extra 30 dollars a week for 5 years your saving the same amount. Everything is relative to a certain extent and not get out of hand about penny pinching. The simple fact is..... if your worried about saving a dollar here and there on gas, you shouldn't be driving the car to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 08:03 PM
Technobabble: January 2002
The Octane Game
By Dave Coleman
The Octane Game
By Dave Coleman
Those of you who are just checking this page of the thread who don't know how the octane actually affects your engine should read Jale's post on the bottom of page 2 (~93rd-94th posts).
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[QUOTE=Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 09:52 PM] Like its been said. .... yea you can 87... just don't plan on driving the car hard, or else it will lead to problems. You can cut corners all day long on things and penny pinch to save money. So you save $7000 by cutting corners and buying cheap tires that you can't push the car as hard on, cheap gas etc... 70k miles... thats roughly 4-6 years of ownership...
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Originally Posted by PopTarts,Nov 10 2005, 11:44 PM
Right. So it being the internet makes it ok to be disrespectful to people? Sigh. Can't we hold ourselves to a higher standard than the standard held by children?
It's their own car. They can do whatever they want. Do you go out and tell people with test pipes, "you shouldn't do that because it hurts the environment"? Do you go and tell the people with Superchargers, "don't do that because it puts your engine under too much pressure"?
Maybe you should tell the folks with Superchargers, "if having high horsepower is an issue, go buy the new Corvette"? Maybe the question "should I put a supercharger in my car", by your standard, is a stupid and "rediculous" question because they can obviously get something else if they need all those horses at the wheels.
It's their own car. They can do whatever they want. Do you go out and tell people with test pipes, "you shouldn't do that because it hurts the environment"? Do you go and tell the people with Superchargers, "don't do that because it puts your engine under too much pressure"?
Maybe you should tell the folks with Superchargers, "if having high horsepower is an issue, go buy the new Corvette"? Maybe the question "should I put a supercharger in my car", by your standard, is a stupid and "rediculous" question because they can obviously get something else if they need all those horses at the wheels.
F1 inspired car, 87 octane?
I'm done.
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Originally Posted by PopTarts,Nov 10 2005, 11:49 PM
You are certainly entitled to an opinion. I would just expect more responsible behavior from someone who's been appointed a moderator than being called a "retard."
And on top of that, if you had bothered to read my posts you would understand that I always put in premium. Good Lord. Look how much of the stuff I've quoted to respond to you - stuff that was already said before you posted. It is evidence that you did not even bother reading the entire thread before calling people names. FearlessFife says that this isn't pre-school, but this kind of behavior seems pretty adolescent to me.
I think "ignorance" could also refer to one's lack of knowledge about previous posts in the thread.
I know exactly how it works, there is no need. The reason I continue to respond is that I am advocating freedom of speech without fear of hassle, less hostility, and more mutual courteousness and respect.
Yes, this is just an internet forum and not a courtroom. But s2ki has come to mean a lot more to me - and frankly this kind of behavior would have completely turned me off. Fortunately I started browsing Mid-A and not here, or I would have had an entirely different perception of S2000 owners.
I have experienced some of the greatest and thrilling experiences of my life because of activities that originate from this community, like Fall Colors. To think that some may miss out on that opportunity because of a few people that are eager to label other people as "dumb" and "retard"ed because the man asked a simple question... is shameful to me.
Now I think I understand what the older folks mean when they say they miss how it used to be.
And on top of that, if you had bothered to read my posts you would understand that I always put in premium. Good Lord. Look how much of the stuff I've quoted to respond to you - stuff that was already said before you posted. It is evidence that you did not even bother reading the entire thread before calling people names. FearlessFife says that this isn't pre-school, but this kind of behavior seems pretty adolescent to me.
I think "ignorance" could also refer to one's lack of knowledge about previous posts in the thread.
I know exactly how it works, there is no need. The reason I continue to respond is that I am advocating freedom of speech without fear of hassle, less hostility, and more mutual courteousness and respect.
Yes, this is just an internet forum and not a courtroom. But s2ki has come to mean a lot more to me - and frankly this kind of behavior would have completely turned me off. Fortunately I started browsing Mid-A and not here, or I would have had an entirely different perception of S2000 owners.
I have experienced some of the greatest and thrilling experiences of my life because of activities that originate from this community, like Fall Colors. To think that some may miss out on that opportunity because of a few people that are eager to label other people as "dumb" and "retard"ed because the man asked a simple question... is shameful to me.
Now I think I understand what the older folks mean when they say they miss how it used to be.
2. I got sick of reading the same post after post about putting crappy gas in the car and decided at that point it was a waste of my time to read any more. I was never directing any comments towards you, if you run 93 or 91 in the car, then I think your makign a wise decision, but you decided to quote me so I had to make rebuttle.
3. Sorry, I don't read every single post in every single thread I post in.
4. ditto but like I said before.. lots of posts contain sarcasm hence the lil banghead guy in my post referring to me finding humor in it.
5. I am personally friends with a lot of the Mid-A guys... they will all vouch for what a great guy I am and this board is full of good people and info, so out of my 20k something posts, if you think you can make a judgment of my character from 1 post.. thats your choice. I have contributed a lot to the board and to helping others so obviously your making assumptions.
6. *sigh* The thread starter asked a question.... at no point did I say.. hey, thats a stupid question, but I think some of the answers given to him were ignorant and he shouldn't get the impression its OK to run less grade gas.
7. As the board continues to grow the same questions will get asked over and over and over and more and more poeple will be members and trolls will appear and etc. I still think the board offers a lot and is a great community, the best of any car forum I've ever been on. Relax.. have a
man. There are a lot more heated discussions that will happen.
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I'm definately tired.. even I can barely make out my English on that post... 
No hard feelings Pop Tart, discussion is good feel free to PM if your still having any issues so this thread stays on topic.
No hard feelings Pop Tart, discussion is good feel free to PM if your still having any issues so this thread stays on topic.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 10:06 PM
1. There is some sarcasm to my posts over half the time, but there lies truth in it. Trust me, there are plenty of people who things that get said on here are retarded and openly express that. I'm not saying anyone specifically is a retard, but the action of putting lower octane than what is called for to me is a retarded action.
[QUOTE=Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 10:06 PM]2. I got sick of reading the same post after post about putting crappy gas in the car and decided at that point it was a waste of my time to read any more. I was never directing any comments towards
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Nov 10 2005, 10:20 PM
I'm definately tired.. even I can barely make out my English on that post...
No hard feelings Pop Tart, discussion is good feel free to PM if your still having any issues so this thread stays on topic.
No hard feelings Pop Tart, discussion is good feel free to PM if your still having any issues so this thread stays on topic.
Sorry, but I saw this message too late. Definitely no hard feelings, not for anyone.
(Even FearlessFife! )
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Its a honda. I ran regular and premium (91 octane) on my tsx, sir, civic.
Results are better with premium on the tsx and sir, but not the civic.
Having regular in the tsx for 60k miles with no problems, i will continue to do so in all my cars including the s2000. Imagine the savings of regular over 60k miles.
Here in canada the difference is 12 cents per litre which is a savings of $7.20 per fill up. I fill up about 1.5 times per week on average so the savings translates to $10.80 per week. Over the course of just one year it translates to approximately $561.60. Doesn't seem like much, but that covers all maintenance required to cover the car for a year and then some.
Fuel for thought!
Results are better with premium on the tsx and sir, but not the civic.
Having regular in the tsx for 60k miles with no problems, i will continue to do so in all my cars including the s2000. Imagine the savings of regular over 60k miles.
Here in canada the difference is 12 cents per litre which is a savings of $7.20 per fill up. I fill up about 1.5 times per week on average so the savings translates to $10.80 per week. Over the course of just one year it translates to approximately $561.60. Doesn't seem like much, but that covers all maintenance required to cover the car for a year and then some.
Fuel for thought!