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Fines for having Test Pipe

Old May 2, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yflyer,May 2 2006, 05:22 PM
Really nice attitude from a Moderator. You give the S2000 community and S2KI such a responsible image. Cthree must be very proud of you.
How does his personal opinion on the environment speak for the S2000 community?
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Yflyer,May 2 2006, 07:22 PM
Really nice attitude from a Moderator. You give the S2000 community and S2KI such a responsible image. Cthree must be very proud of you.
Moderators donate their time to this site in hopes that they can help share the enormous work load of making sure the losers don't ruin the fun for everyone...

please don't snap on one of them for having an opinion you don't agree with.
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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD,May 2 2006, 03:40 PM
actually that may not be true....if you read the statute it's not clear how it applies to generic end users. It most definately applys to those who sell vehicles but depending upon interpretation it may not apply to the end user removing his own cat. At anyrate it is relatively moot. If you get pulled over and get caught you're going to be written up under the state statute not the federal one.
The amended statute linked on the EPA site states:

Sec. 7522. Prohibited acts

(a) Enumerated prohibitions

(1) <addresses actions by manufacturers prior to delivery/>
(2) <addresses non-compliance with required paperwork and testing?/>

(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device
or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter
prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any
person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or
element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate
purchaser; or
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B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or
install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of,
any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect
of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative
any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle
or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this
subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part
or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or
put to such use; or


I agree that unless there's a "crackdown" on street racers or some such, you'll likely never have to face the feds. It's the law, but it's seldom enforced.
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Old May 2, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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Seriously, HAS ANYONE EVER BEEN FINED FOR NOT HAVING A CAT? After getting pulled over of course, not because you were stupid enough to go get an inspection with it on. We can debate this till we die, but if its not enforced then there is no point.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Vanos954,May 2 2006, 06:09 PM
In California it is a $1500 fine last time I checked.
Someone already provided the statute and even a link to the statute so we could read it. It's a $350 ticket. Not $1500.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 06:19 AM
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[QUOTE=Yflyer,May 2 2006, 07:22 PM] Really nice attitude from a Moderator.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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If you want to use a test pipe without the hassle of emissions and getting fined, gut your stock cat or use the stock heatshield over the test pipe.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 08:34 AM
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There is a test pipe inside this stock shield, Looks pretty stealth
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Old May 3, 2006 | 09:22 AM
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Even so, I know this person (cough cough) who went to go get his bi-yearly echeck (smog test) with a testpipe on and passed with flying colors.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD,May 2 2006, 04:40 PM
actually that may not be true....if you read the statute it's not clear how it applies to generic end users. It most definately applys to those who sell vehicles but depending upon interpretation it may not apply to the end user removing his own cat. At anyrate it is relatively moot. If you get pulled over and get caught you're going to be written up under the state statute not the federal one.
I have read the statute, and like I said, my interpretation of it is that a person can be fined $2500 under the federal law for replacing their catalytic converter with a test pipe. In fact, another user above posted exactly the language I was referring to.

But you and wisconsin are absolutely right... the feds aren't going to be out there stroking tickets for running a catless exhaust. The worst case scenario is that an observant state or local cop, or even mechanic doing an inspection notices that you're not running a cat, and then calls a federal officer out to handle the EPA violation. But it's extremely unlikely that a federal officer would waste time dealing with this issue. As most people have said, you'll likely just get the state fine.

Still, before you decide to run a test pipe, at least it pays to know what the law is, and know that you're consciously deciding to run the risk of hefty fines.
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