Getting the S2k itch again...UPDATE!
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Dec 5 2007, 05:15 PM
That is very true.
But it's the legal system's definition of compromise that often baffles me.
Achieving pregnancy is about the only 50/50 part of the deal.
She can abort the baby without your consent.
She can keep the baby without your consent.
If, she keeps the baby, she can take your money earned over the next 18-21 years (around 28% depending upon State) , without your consent.
If she lies about the source of the baby batter, and you challenge this 3 years later, and the genetics prove you are NOT the father, she STILL gets to take 28% your money and the Judge will declare you responsible for a child that is not yours. She lies to you, royally fu%$s you emotionally in the process, and the compromise is that you get to keep paying.
I think every man should support his offspring. But she can spend that money in any manner she wishes (on the child or not) without your consent or any traceability of funds. Beauty treatments, fun money, bigger house to share with her new lover, or flat out make his payments on that F250 he has always wanted. No traceability. Perhaps she is spending the money on your child, and maybe not...it's none of your business at that point.
The only time she does not hold ALL the cards in the above transactions is during the conceptive event. After that, your are done.
Then there is the case of no child, and a 5 year marriage. Depending where you live, you might lose half your house, a big chunk of retirement, and half of all your everyday stuff. EVEN if ALL of those things were pre-owned by you prior to the marriage event or purchased by you, using your personal funds during the marriage event. 'Personal Funds' ...that kinda goes away.
You see, marriage commits you legally to the communal property concept. That's fine, as marriage IS a contract. I would expect to contribute to our marriage as a partnership and that would include the sharing of my assets, skills, etc.
BUT...what happens when she VIOLATES the contract. She breaks her end of the contract, sleeps with co-worker and now wants out of the marriage. WELL, your end of the contact is still valid (you owe her half of everything). Nice compromise, huh? Welcome to division of marital property.
And then there is alimony and a variety of other forms of spousal support. Usually restricted by some timeframe. These vary by State, circumstance, attorney and judge quality. You might give her $1k per month for a year until she can finish her job core training. You might pay her legal fees. You might contribute 3k towards her new car fund purchase. You might pay the rent on her place for 6 months until she establishes independent lodging.
If you make bank, you might end up giving her 40k per month so that she may maintain the standard of living with which she has been accustomed. Those really expensive Egyptian weave sheets really are succulent.
What does all this mean?
Well statistically, someone entering into marriage is more likely to end up in this position rather than not. The best time to 'compromise' is before the Judicial system gets involved. It will save you much much much money.
But it's the legal system's definition of compromise that often baffles me.
Achieving pregnancy is about the only 50/50 part of the deal.
She can abort the baby without your consent.
She can keep the baby without your consent.
If, she keeps the baby, she can take your money earned over the next 18-21 years (around 28% depending upon State) , without your consent.
If she lies about the source of the baby batter, and you challenge this 3 years later, and the genetics prove you are NOT the father, she STILL gets to take 28% your money and the Judge will declare you responsible for a child that is not yours. She lies to you, royally fu%$s you emotionally in the process, and the compromise is that you get to keep paying.
I think every man should support his offspring. But she can spend that money in any manner she wishes (on the child or not) without your consent or any traceability of funds. Beauty treatments, fun money, bigger house to share with her new lover, or flat out make his payments on that F250 he has always wanted. No traceability. Perhaps she is spending the money on your child, and maybe not...it's none of your business at that point.
The only time she does not hold ALL the cards in the above transactions is during the conceptive event. After that, your are done.
Then there is the case of no child, and a 5 year marriage. Depending where you live, you might lose half your house, a big chunk of retirement, and half of all your everyday stuff. EVEN if ALL of those things were pre-owned by you prior to the marriage event or purchased by you, using your personal funds during the marriage event. 'Personal Funds' ...that kinda goes away.
You see, marriage commits you legally to the communal property concept. That's fine, as marriage IS a contract. I would expect to contribute to our marriage as a partnership and that would include the sharing of my assets, skills, etc.
BUT...what happens when she VIOLATES the contract. She breaks her end of the contract, sleeps with co-worker and now wants out of the marriage. WELL, your end of the contact is still valid (you owe her half of everything). Nice compromise, huh? Welcome to division of marital property.
And then there is alimony and a variety of other forms of spousal support. Usually restricted by some timeframe. These vary by State, circumstance, attorney and judge quality. You might give her $1k per month for a year until she can finish her job core training. You might pay her legal fees. You might contribute 3k towards her new car fund purchase. You might pay the rent on her place for 6 months until she establishes independent lodging.
If you make bank, you might end up giving her 40k per month so that she may maintain the standard of living with which she has been accustomed. Those really expensive Egyptian weave sheets really are succulent.
What does all this mean?
Well statistically, someone entering into marriage is more likely to end up in this position rather than not. The best time to 'compromise' is before the Judicial system gets involved. It will save you much much much money.
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I think my wife is cool as hell and the Gateway S2k'ers have said the same thing. She loves riding in the car, we will be sitting around the house and she will out of the blue say she wants to go for a ride, we have some nice twisties around us so we blast off. She doesn't care if I modify it as long as we have extra money to do so. Nothing is ever complicated with her. I think..no I know I got lucky when I got me lady.
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Originally Posted by S2LEGEND,Dec 5 2007, 03:35 PM
you say that now. Marriage changes everything. I almost got divorced over my S. I've managed to keep 'em both so far... but it would be an easy choice. As long as I get to see my kids whenever i want... she can go. 
In all seriousness, it is about compromise.... as long as she get what she needs i get what I want.
In all seriousness, it is about compromise.... as long as she get what she needs i get what I want.
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UPDATE!
Picked up a left-over 2007 Silverstone with red/black interior yesterday. I am totally pumped!!!
I got a great deal for the car. Snow and cold weather plus it being an 07 helped. $28,800 + TTL. They also threw in a big CR poster for the garage.
The car was just waiting for me...only 8 miles on the odo and shrink wrapped. 
Has been on the lot since spring.
Needless to say, jumping into the seat of an S2k again was HEAVEN! It was a chore keeping her under 5000 rpm, but I dutifully complied. Well, thanks to all for the advice and words of wisdom. Thanks to S2k LEGENDS for the heads-up on the 2.9% Honda financing.
Now it's time to change the sig line and drive. Hopefully, it's a mild winter here in NJ from here on out.
Picked up a left-over 2007 Silverstone with red/black interior yesterday. I am totally pumped!!!
I got a great deal for the car. Snow and cold weather plus it being an 07 helped. $28,800 + TTL. They also threw in a big CR poster for the garage.
The car was just waiting for me...only 8 miles on the odo and shrink wrapped. Has been on the lot since spring.Needless to say, jumping into the seat of an S2k again was HEAVEN! It was a chore keeping her under 5000 rpm, but I dutifully complied. Well, thanks to all for the advice and words of wisdom. Thanks to S2k LEGENDS for the heads-up on the 2.9% Honda financing.
Now it's time to change the sig line and drive. Hopefully, it's a mild winter here in NJ from here on out.