[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barry WY Silver/Black '01[B]

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by X S2000 Owner
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by gregstevens
[b]I agree 100%, 01s2.

 

.x2000owner or whatever

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because Audi figured out how to produce more than 6000 a year for the US market...plus the market sees Audi as a performance vehicle and Honda as commuter/family sedan company (afterall, the civic and accord are their best sellers). [/B][/QUOTE]

How many CART and F1 Championships has Audi won? And, there is a reason for a limited production, do you actually want everyone and their brother to have the same sports car that you do?

 

There's nothing worse than people that think they are god's gift to a message board. If you want to be taken seriously, X S2000, then all you need to do is regularly post constructive ideas and criticisms. You can't just come out of no-where and expect everyone to say 'Oh my god, this guy *really* knows what he's talking about... I better dump my S2000 before it happens to me, too.'

You want facts? I'll give you facts...

-2nd gear grind is sometimes caused by driver error, and that fact notwithstanding, Honda released a service bulletin to change a part of the shift mechanism inside anyone's tranny at Honda's expense. This shows Honda's customer commitment in my opinion.

-Greg Stevens has been involved in the S2000 online community since the beginning... and funny, he doesn't remember you.

-Honda is not TRYING to sell more S2K's. They don't want to beat the Audi in sales, nor the MR2. They took their racing engineering prowess and designed a great car, which they are building in limited numbers (some say at a financial loss) to prove a point... that they CAN.

-The TT and S2K are considered in the same class by the magazines, but in reality they couldn't be more different. That's what Mr. Stevens was referring to. He has sampled both cars, and that opinion comes from his experience.

-Greg regularly has his car on the track, and has no problem with grinding 2nd gear, and he hasn't had the TSB perfomed yet. The car has over 21K miles, with no problems, and a good 50% are track miles or really hard street miles... he has been through 6 sets of pads.

Are those good enough 'arguments' for you? Hey, those are just the facts, man... that's what you wanted, right? The reason Greg didn't want to waste his energy on responding to you is that it's obvious that you are so full of yourself that NOTHING anyone could say would ever change your mind. So I'm sure you're going to try to pick apart my response. Before you do, be assured that I won't respond... I'm done with this. If you don't like the car, then kindly stop posting to this board. You are not about to convice any of us on this board to suddenly start hating our cars. I hate to burst your bubble on that one.



[Edited by Jason Saini on 01-30-2001 at 01:48 PM]

 

Strike, I was wondering the same thing...what is an "agruement" ?!? Yea, he's a troll...I am taking the high road on this clown and just going to let him talk/ramble/brag about what a great driver he is, how much he knows about cars, how much his mama loves him ... blah blah blah...just let him continue to let himself look like a fool. Whenever a fool speaks, get out of the way and let him...it's always great entertainment.

My first instinct was correct, it would be a waste of time...especially since just about my entire history with my S2000 has been more than a public record...that includes the 3000+ miles of track time, etc...

Go back under your bridge, Mr Troll. You have become tiresome...


Let's get back on topic, autoxEX...what is the status of your car? Have you gotten word from your dealer yet?

 

Thanks for the props, Jason...

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Saini
[B] You want facts?

 

Anyone know of any occurance of a "used" S2000's engine "blowing up"? Hmmmmm....

 

You're right Cdelena... I don't have direct experience with that. I shouldn't have posted that under 'fact', because it's my opinion. That opninion was formed by the fact that some cars have the problem, and others don't.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the clutch was not being depressed enough on most of the grind occurrences. Yet you are right, they wouldn't spent their own money if there wasn't a problem.

I have driven my car (a 2001) and Greg's car, with 21k miles and NO tranny TSB work. It felt 100% the same as mine. I grind my 2nd shift from time to time, and alomst every time I notice it was because I didn't press the clutch enough.

I'm not calling anyone a liar, all I am saying is that my experience leads me to believe that the 1-2 grind was not as serious of a mechanical problem as it was made out to be, and Honda did everyone a favor by agreeing to make the car easier to shift for everyone.

I'm sticking by my guns to a certain extent, until I drive a car that is impossible to shift without grinding. However I concede that my OPINION should not have been listed under the FACT list in my previous email, and for that I apologize.

[Edited by Jason Saini on 01-30-2001 at 12:36 PM]

 

Chris, whoa! If you read what Jason wrote carefully, he said 'mainly' caused by driver error. I know this is a sensitive topic with you as you had to fight Honda tooth and nail to remedy things for your car, but I know Jason well enough to know that he is aware of a real issue with the tolerance problem in our tranny. His statement may have been a little broad, but I don't think it's inaccurate. The fact is that many people grind the shift from 1-2 because, well for many reasons, but one big reason is because many folks have never driven a car with such a short throw - myself included. So there are a variety of reasons for grinding...and I would submit that driver error is a bigger cause than the known tranny problem...

I don't think he was suggesting otherwise and reading between the lines, I would suggest that many people DO get "a" grind from 1-2 that is NOT related to the tolerance issue, which could be categorized as driver error.

Just my 329 Norwegian Kroners...