When I first got my MY03 (100% stock; balance is rear-bias), it oversteered like a MF.

Recently switched the swaybars to: MY00-01 Front and MY04-07 Rear..so the swaybar balance is now front-bias. Handles a dream now and like a different animal - very confident, feels more neutral but still can oversteer when needed, much easier to drive, rear feels more grippy/heavier/planted, much easier to correct and catch, can take turns faster, more predictable, more progressive, etc., etc.

Next plan is to switch the stock rear-bias springs with front-bias springs (with CR shocks); like the CR or Swift Spec-R springs. That should bring me another big step-up in improvement.

 

The faster you go, the more inertia is at play. A fast Auto X set up isn't going to be an optimum road course set up as a result. The S rear end will want to come around on you the higher rate of speed you make directional changes. You can tune your suspension and add down force to help tame this, but this is the natural tendency of the car. For auto X, a car that more easily rotates at slower speeds is usually appreciated and quicker, but a handful at high speed and usually slower as a result. I have found through trial and error a good all around neutral set up for street and fast/controllable balance for high speed road course without a rear wing is, my stock 01 front sway bar, with an ap2 rear bar, and the same spring rate front to rear with a near factory tire stagger, what ever widths you choose to run(tune your spring rate for your tire widths/compound grip) For me its 255/295 so I run 14k. I currently have the 2nd quickest known NA street tire class s2k at my 2.5m track with this config, for what its worth.

 

Try a set of Yokohama AD08-R tyres....taking your 2000 to a track is the best way to fully understand its handling. Honda deliberately placed the engine behind the front axle to at least reduce nasty under-steer....
Many years ago I had a mk1 MR2 which I used to take around the quiet roundabouts outside of town, it was here that I would push harder & harder in 2nd gear provoking the rear to step out whilst applying opposite lock, keeping your foot on the gas is essential though your head is telling you otherwise....take a look at Mr Harris explaining more..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Vt3ybz0t0

 

Ah, this is the sort of info I was looking for.

 

The S2K's short wheelbase makes it rotate very well. At low speeds on an autoX its a lot easier to catch than at higher speeds where the characteristic becomes more 'twitchy'. At much higher speeds (70+) the car creates lift and becomes even less stable, this is why adding a wing to an S2K does wonders for confidence, grip, and lap times for road racing.

Driving wise, these are good reads:

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...r-Control.aspx

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...Processes.aspx


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I've only ever accidentally spun out one time in my life. I happened to be test driving an AP1 S2000 about 5 years ago. At that time, I had no idea they were prone to oversteer. I was exiting a corner and got on the gas. The next thing I knew, I was facing the wrong direction. Luckily, the sales guy didn't come along for the drive. haha. I didn't end up buying that car but I now own an AP2. I've heard the AP2 is less prone to snap oversteer, but I'm still a bit weary and cautious when getting on the gas as I exit corners.

 

Afaik, stock AP2s will understeer initially but that is easily modulated with the throttle. Drive into a corner too fast, turn the wheel, and the car will definitely scrub on the fronts initially.

 

? You can still make a stock AP2 oversteer on entry with trailbraking...

 

After owning my current Ap1 for around 3 months now (daily driver), I can def say that my old S13 that I had in the late '90s oversteered a lot more. Maybe in a diff way. But, my old S13 was way more slide'y and oversteered a lot (I've spun that thing out a few times on accident at low speeds).

To me, I feel that the S13 was loose mainly due to the weight being mostly in the front; whereas the S2k is a 50/50 balance, has a lot more grip and modern suspension engineering in it. It honestly feels like driving a super grippy 4x4 compared to the S13 drift machine.

 

i love what you said here!!!! its all about that seat time baby