Heel Toeing
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If it has to be over or under you are better off overblipping. All that happens in that case is that you work the clutch a bit harder as it 'pulls' the revs back down for you. If you underblip the synchronization process is harder on the rest of the transmission and you also risk shiftlocking the rear wheels. Its that 'chug' people who don't know how to drive get when they downshift when the put the rolling car into a running gear at idle revs. Its the same thing drifters do on purpose when they 'kick the clutch'. You should work on getting it perfect though. Its not a hard part of driving so you should just force yourself to get it perfectly asap so you can focus on other aspects of driving.
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I do heel-toe when setting up for corners in daily driving, even at a relaxed pace, merely out of habit. But I rarely do it if approaching a stop-light. And I don't think it's a very important skill regardless.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
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Originally Posted by thomsbrain' timestamp='1332880650' post='21549394
I do heel-toe when setting up for corners in daily driving, even at a relaxed pace, merely out of habit. But I rarely do it if approaching a stop-light. And I don't think it's a very important skill regardless.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
Perhaps you should read that again
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Originally Posted by thomsbrain' timestamp='1332880650' post='21549394
I do heel-toe when setting up for corners in daily driving, even at a relaxed pace, merely out of habit. But I rarely do it if approaching a stop-light. And I don't think it's a very important skill regardless.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Faster-M...3511391&sr=1-1
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Originally Posted by c32b' timestamp='1333286949' post='21564337
[quote name='thomsbrain' timestamp='1332880650' post='21549394']
I do heel-toe when setting up for corners in daily driving, even at a relaxed pace, merely out of habit. But I rarely do it if approaching a stop-light. And I don't think it's a very important skill regardless.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
I do heel-toe when setting up for corners in daily driving, even at a relaxed pace, merely out of habit. But I rarely do it if approaching a stop-light. And I don't think it's a very important skill regardless.
Skip Barber says heel-toe is one of the last things a driver should worry about. You can put down very fast laps without using the technique. What you gain in reduced clutch wear or reduced body motion is often lost in uneven braking force while you are blipping.
It is really easy to heel-toe and focus on matched shifts. It is really freaking hard to maintain threshold braking AND heel-toe at the same time. There's more time to shave off in braking than there is in heel-toe. Like I said, heel-toe is just my habit at this point, even though I KNOW I lose time by having occasionally uneven braking as a result.
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Faster-M...3511391&sr=1-1
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Do u have that book? Because I do and I inrtepreted th heel toe part quite different fom what you say.
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Are there any videos out there or heel toeing in an s2k? I saw a great one once of a dude in an S2 in a parking lot, but they took it down since it was kind of an ad for the camera. Guess it was too blatant.
Anyway, my very last turn on my ride to work is a right into the parking lot and I'm generally going a little over 30 while approaching it in 4th or third and I hate rev-matching so high just to brake for the turn. I really think being able to heel toe would come in handy and be awesome, but since I can't yet I'm not sure how else to approach this turn. Should I brake first in 3rd/4th to the speed I should be going and then rev-match to second? I can take it easily/safely going 15+.
Anyway, my very last turn on my ride to work is a right into the parking lot and I'm generally going a little over 30 while approaching it in 4th or third and I hate rev-matching so high just to brake for the turn. I really think being able to heel toe would come in handy and be awesome, but since I can't yet I'm not sure how else to approach this turn. Should I brake first in 3rd/4th to the speed I should be going and then rev-match to second? I can take it easily/safely going 15+.
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look for some best motoring clips (since they stopped making new videos they have become easier to find on youtube) they drive s2000s all the time and usually have all sorts of camera views, including a shot of the drivers feet on the pedals a lot of the time
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5cFzcZ8YY[/media]
Gan-san steps higher on the brake so he can use his heel to blip the throttle. I personally can't do this very well as I end up with uneven braking forcing.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU[/media]
Not an S2000, but this is another method (and the one that I prefer). I step a little lower and to the right side of the brake pedal and just roll my foot to the right to blip the throttle. This braking position is more natural for me I guess and I find it easier to maintain steady braking.
Either one can be learned, it's just muscle memory and coordination. When I try and heel-toe like the first video, it feels like when I play around with left foot braking (i.e. - jerky and awkward). I don't do it enough to be natural. Only way to fix that is to practice
Gan-san steps higher on the brake so he can use his heel to blip the throttle. I personally can't do this very well as I end up with uneven braking forcing.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU[/media]
Not an S2000, but this is another method (and the one that I prefer). I step a little lower and to the right side of the brake pedal and just roll my foot to the right to blip the throttle. This braking position is more natural for me I guess and I find it easier to maintain steady braking.
Either one can be learned, it's just muscle memory and coordination. When I try and heel-toe like the first video, it feels like when I play around with left foot braking (i.e. - jerky and awkward). I don't do it enough to be natural. Only way to fix that is to practice