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The UK and JDM models did get the AP2 drivetrain with the F20C
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I did sell my older AP1 to pick up another now. I'm planning on doing the AP2 swap but with 73k and new clutch and slave cylinders from the previous owner I almost done want to have to remove it since it still feels so great!
The UK and JDM models did get the AP2 drivetrain with the F20C
The UK and JDM models did get the AP2 drivetrain with the F20C
That's cool, I didn't know they got the ap2 trans with their F20. Little extra gear reduction motivation for the lower trq motor.
Its equivalent to running a 4.22 final drive in the first 4 gears. Then of course you get the more over driven 6th.
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You contradict yourself.
First you say the dyno numbers are meaningless and might as well say 1hp. Then you say they show a steady increase in power through the evolution of the S. 'Does one understand how to interpret a dyno' isn't part of determining a dynoe's relevance in my book. Obviously they have more relevance then just being a tool to show a delta figure for one car right? Sure it helps to understand all the factors that go into a reading and how the particular dyno reads the information. There are difference, yes. There is enough information out there for those in the know to be able to throw one car on one type of dyno and get a pretty good assessment of how accurate it is compared to a set of external factors and make a refined judgment. There is value there for some folks. Personally I like to stick to one dyno to eliminate big variables. At least the type of dyno.
First you say the dyno numbers are meaningless and might as well say 1hp. Then you say they show a steady increase in power through the evolution of the S. 'Does one understand how to interpret a dyno' isn't part of determining a dynoe's relevance in my book. Obviously they have more relevance then just being a tool to show a delta figure for one car right? Sure it helps to understand all the factors that go into a reading and how the particular dyno reads the information. There are difference, yes. There is enough information out there for those in the know to be able to throw one car on one type of dyno and get a pretty good assessment of how accurate it is compared to a set of external factors and make a refined judgment. There is value there for some folks. Personally I like to stick to one dyno to eliminate big variables. At least the type of dyno.
Countless people over the years got single dynos, and even with the same MY we saw wide ranging numbers, but bell curve shows the general trend for power range, which I refer to. Its from that that we saw WHP in 00 and how it seemed to get a bump in 02, for example, but there will always be overlap at single data point comparison. And yes, there is some good info there in even a single dyno, but since so many factors aren't controlled for, we always need to take values with a grain of salt.
Basic idea though, which I think most people agree with, is that Honda engineers were fiddling with the car for 10 years to make incremental improvements and you can see them in those hp trend shifts every couple years.
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Its beneficial but not enough for me to want to do the swap without some other reason, like a blown motor or blown trans, both of which i've had multiple times so that's why ive run the different combos.
That's cool, I didn't know they got the ap2 trans with their F20. Little extra gear reduction motivation for the lower trq motor. Its equivalent to running a 4.22 final drive in the first 4 gears. Then of course you get the more over driven 6th.
That's cool, I didn't know they got the ap2 trans with their F20. Little extra gear reduction motivation for the lower trq motor.
Its equivalent to running a 4.22 final drive in the first 4 gears. Then of course you get the more over driven 6th.
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Not a contradiction - think about two things - trend level data vs single point, and how seldom anyone really uses a dyno to baseline and measure a change.
Countless people over the years got single dynos, and even with the same MY we saw wide ranging numbers, but bell curve shows the general trend for power range, which I refer to. Its from that that we saw WHP in 00 and how it seemed to get a bump in 02, for example, but there will always be overlap at single data point comparison. And yes, there is some good info there in even a single dyno, but since so many factors aren't controlled for, we always need to take values with a grain of salt.
Basic idea though, which I think most people agree with, is that Honda engineers were fiddling with the car for 10 years to make incremental improvements and you can see them in those hp trend shifts every couple years.
Countless people over the years got single dynos, and even with the same MY we saw wide ranging numbers, but bell curve shows the general trend for power range, which I refer to. Its from that that we saw WHP in 00 and how it seemed to get a bump in 02, for example, but there will always be overlap at single data point comparison. And yes, there is some good info there in even a single dyno, but since so many factors aren't controlled for, we always need to take values with a grain of salt.
Basic idea though, which I think most people agree with, is that Honda engineers were fiddling with the car for 10 years to make incremental improvements and you can see them in those hp trend shifts every couple years.
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If I ever need to replace my car's F22, I think I'd try to find a later F20 and drop it in the car to get both parts of what UK and Japan got. One reason I like the 04-05s is that these are the only two years with the chassis and power train updates before DBW and traction control.
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