How durable are these motors? Revving to 9k+?
Originally Posted by sodaking663rd,Dec 9 2005, 10:57 PM
honda engines may be engineered a bit better than say, kias but they are all basically built using similar materials and concepts. it seems like common sense to me that ANY engine, including a little electric motor in a slot car is not going to last as long if it is running at its peak rate. i think some people have a little too much honda pride 

Also, the CF reinforced blocks are (as far as I'm aware) unique to Honda, and a key to making the F20C live at 9k. Knowledge and pride are two entirely differen things, are they not?
Fact is, I had a 9k car way back in 1978. Back then it *was* something I was proud of, but today produciton cars can do it, so it's no longer any big deal. Bikes rev even higher, and don't have reliability problems as a result. Isn't it fair to say that ANY well designed engine can be operated at it's design limits without exceeding the design intent?
The F20C/F22C has abbreviated piston skirts, which are good for high RPM operation, but not so good if the motor is lugged. Under load there is likely to be more wear at low revs (2,500) than at higher revs (above 5,500). These motors are not like some American V-8's with inflated redlines where trying to run at the redline long term is apt to make the motor consume itself. They're far more like Benz motors, which are designed to run flat out on the Autobahn all day long.
Originally Posted by RED MX5,Dec 10 2005, 12:40 PM
Also, the CF reinforced blocks are (as far as I'm aware) unique to Honda, and a key to making the F20C live at 9k.
Also, it is not true carbon fiber, it is a carbon and aluminum fiber mixture.
The FRM cylinder liners are much slicker than the iron used by others. The slickness helps in generating less heat AND in preventing wear. That definitely helps with longetivity at high piston speeds.
[QUOTE=steven975,Dec 10 2005, 04:23 PM]I don't know if they are unique to Honda, but I don't know who else has them.
Also, it is not true carbon fiber, it is a carbon and aluminum fiber mixture.
Also, it is not true carbon fiber, it is a carbon and aluminum fiber mixture.
[QUOTE=RED MX5,Dec 10 2005, 05:20 PM]
(2 * 6.62")/Rev * 9000 Revs/Min = 119,160"/Min = 165.5 ft./sec.
(2 * 7.14")/Rev * 8000 Revs/Min = 114,240"/Min = 158.7 ft./sec.
Somebody check my math; not my strong point.
(2 * 6.62")/Rev * 9000 Revs/Min = 119,160"/Min = 165.5 ft./sec.
(2 * 7.14")/Rev * 8000 Revs/Min = 114,240"/Min = 158.7 ft./sec.
Somebody check my math; not my strong point.
Originally Posted by steven975,Dec 11 2005, 01:18 AM
no, honda will not warranty a new S2000 with a comptech supercharger.
Some of the dealers will warranty it, but not Honda officially.
Some of the dealers will warranty it, but not Honda officially.
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