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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 06:31 AM
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Unlike in my old Miata, in neither our S2000 nor the Boxster can I H&T using the ball of foot and edge of foot, the only way I can comfortably H&T on the street, not interested in something else so uncomfortable I might as well start driving a slushbox. Found a set of aftermarket pedasl for the Porsche that I'm considering that impacts the height difference and horizontal span between the brake and throttle pedals.


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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 06:32 AM
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I could litteraly heel&toe my Civic but needed to change technique with the S2000 due to pedal location and space.
Now I basically twist my ankle while on the brakes and hit the gas pedal with the side of my foot.
I did install a OMP gas pedal to help. It helped a lot!
http://www.ompamerica.com/product_in...roducts_id/359

I have a hard time doing it on the street where I nedd to modulate braking much more. I have a tendency to ''over-brake'' while rotating my foot.
It's useless on the street anyhow, I either rev-match downshifts or throw it in neutral to come to a stop. Why work the clutch? It's not like we need the engine brake.

I presume it might help to tune the pedal for quicker DBW response with flashpro. My friend had to do that in his TSX.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dithrain
Now, this is probably because I didn't do it the "right" way. I learned feeling comfortable putting the ball of my big toe on my brake pedal, and the right side of my foot on the throttle.
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A) did the distance between the two pedals really change from going on to DBW? And if so can you change the distance yourself?
I use the same technique on my 06 which is DBW.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 08:16 AM
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I have found the pedal placement in the s2k leaves a little bit to be desired. The height is good, but there's just a little bit too much distance between the brake and throttle to heel/toe easily. If I'm wearing dress shoes then it isn't bad, but skinnier driving shoes make it a bit difficult. All manufacturers should just copy BMW's pedal placement, it's absolutely perfect.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RedCelica
I have DBW and heel/toe is just fine. This is the "normal" way to heel-toe http://www.turnfast.com/images/tech_...etoestep34.gif I only do it when driving spiritedly, otherwise I just rev match without braking.

Originally Posted by JimSUPERFLY
I could litteraly heel&toe my Civic but needed to change technique with the S2000 due to pedal location and space.
Now I basically twist my ankle while on the brakes and hit the gas pedal with the side of my foot.
I did install a OMP gas pedal to help. It helped a lot!
http://www.ompamerica.com/product_in...roducts_id/359

I have a hard time doing it on the street where I nedd to modulate braking much more. I have a tendency to ''over-brake'' while rotating my foot.
It's useless on the street anyhow, I either rev-match downshifts or throw it in neutral to come to a stop. Why work the clutch? It's not like we need the engine brake.

I presume it might help to tune the pedal for quicker DBW response with flashpro. My friend had to do that in his TSX.
This.

Actual heel / toe on the street is rather silly. Simple rev match is all that's needed.

Try adding an aftermarket pedal cover like the Mugen set.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 09:46 AM
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Personally, I have never had any issues with H/T in the S2000 and I wear driving shoes almost exclusively. What's needed is a matter of preference and I prefer to practice whenever possible.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by arsenal
Actual heel / toe on the street is rather silly. Simple rev match is all that's needed.
Needed? Of course not. But if you want to get better at something, you have to practice it. Unless you get plenty of track time to practice, that means practicing during everyday driving. You don't have to drive like a maniac to do it.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 09:51 AM
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If you're on a spirited drive then yes, but every day driving? You'd be a maniac driving around
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fokker
From what I've had described to me and experienced between driving a throttle cable care and DBW, you need to give it more throttle with the DBW, especially on an factory tuned flash. The pedal with a throttle cable car is just more sensitive and requires less throttle input to match.


Depends on the car. I used to have a mark 4 GTI that was DBW. You would have to pretty much go WOT to even get that thing to blip. I now have a Miata that is DBC and the response is ten folds better. My Exige is DBW but the throttle drives like a DBC. So it really depends on the car. The only thing that I don't like about DBW is that you don't get any real pedal feedback. For example, in a DBC, the resistance is progressively higher the further down you push on the pedal. On a DBW, the resistance is the same throughout. I find that DBC allows me to know exactly how much throttle input I'm doing by the feel of the resistance. With the DBW, I have to resort to the car moving to tell me how much throttle input is applied.

To the OP. It depends on the car that you are driving. On the Miata I do a traditional heel-toe because the pedals are spaced out further apart for my size 9.5 shoes. However, on the Exige, the pedals are much closer together and it allows me to roll on the throttle with the right side of my foot. I prefer the Exige pedals much better because I feel that rolling on the throttle gives me finer throttle control. You just have to test both methods out and see which one is better for you.
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Old Jan 23, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by arsenal
Originally Posted by RedCelica' timestamp='1422020389' post='23478785
I have DBW and heel/toe is just fine. This is the "normal" way to heel-toe http://www.turnfast.com/images/tech_...etoestep34.gif I only do it when driving spiritedly, otherwise I just rev match without braking.

Originally Posted by JimSUPERFLY
I could litteraly heel&toe my Civic but needed to change technique with the S2000 due to pedal location and space.
Now I basically twist my ankle while on the brakes and hit the gas pedal with the side of my foot.
I did install a OMP gas pedal to help. It helped a lot!
http://www.ompamerica.com/product_in...roducts_id/359

I have a hard time doing it on the street where I nedd to modulate braking much more. I have a tendency to ''over-brake'' while rotating my foot.
It's useless on the street anyhow, I either rev-match downshifts or throw it in neutral to come to a stop. Why work the clutch? It's not like we need the engine brake.

I presume it might help to tune the pedal for quicker DBW response with flashpro. My friend had to do that in his TSX.
This.

Actual heel / toe on the street is rather silly. Simple rev match is all that's needed.

Try adding an aftermarket pedal cover like the Mugen set.


Not silly at all.

It would not surprise me that only 5% of stick shift drivers actually heel-toe on a regular basis. But practice does make perfect. Given enough practice, one will H&T as if it was second nature. If fact, I don't notice myself H&T at all. I just do it. Having things feel natural translates to better performance driving.
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