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How (if at all) do you rev-match/heel toe?

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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Eriasu


that's why takumi is the best. No one can rev match like him in the physical world

vs actual Heel-toe

Both look the same to me, just different angles.
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 06:30 AM
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Need to add a gas pedal extender to bring it closer to the brake. I have one for sale that I have used formthenplasticsni few years. Makes heel toe much easier using the ball and side of your foot.
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LDubz735
Originally Posted by arsenal' timestamp='1422039074' post='23479149
If you're on a spirited drive then yes, but every day driving? You'd be a maniac driving around
I used to think this as well, believing it was only realistic to do so w/ heavy braking (aka on the track or at autox). However, in wanting to get more practice I started doing it during my regular drives, which really taught me how to H/T while modulating and controlling the brake and throttle under much milder conditions. Did I mess up a whole bunch? You bet, but with practice, I've gotten much smoother now than before, and it's really translated into much better control when I'm braking much harder during performance events.

Yep! Everyone wants to bash heel toe on the street, heel toe on the street is the best way to practice for this very reason. I heel toe as much as I can, I also use the side of my foot and heel, just to change things up. The more proficient you are at driving with your feet the better driver you will be, no matter what your driving!!

A awesome braking drill is to come to a full stop without feeling "the stop". This drill is done at speeds of 5mph to 0 and translates to awesome brake modulation at 130 mph
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bgoetz
Yep! Everyone wants to bash heel toe on the street, ...
Really? Everyone? I didn't get that impression. Some people said it wasn't needed (silly, even). But some people said they do it all the time. Some said they try to, but find it difficult. I didn't take a head count, but I don't think everyone is bashing heel and toe on the street.

One of my exes was amazingly proficient at heel and toe. He did it in every car all the time, no matter what... even in a 1963 Ford Galaxie 500 that he had. It made for a very smooth ride when he was driving, and I was always just amazed at how he could adapt to every vehicle. It was pretty disgusting, to tell you the truth.

(^^ joking about it being disgusting, of course!)
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 08:27 PM
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Is heel/toe necessary for street driving? No. Does it make the drive smoother? Yes. I was introduced to heel/toe when I was in high school and only as a means of smoothing out shifting. I liked smooth driving so I got into the habit, and it rather quickly becomes second nature. Fast forward a few years and I was at my first track day. After my first session the first thing out of my instructor's mouth was asking where I learned to heel/toe so well. You don't need to be driving hard to use the technique, and as someone else said, practice makes perfect.
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by matthugie
You don't need to be driving hard to use the technique, and as someone else said, practice makes perfect.
Agreed ... I do it every day, for almost 40 years now.
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RMurphy
Originally Posted by bgoetz' timestamp='1422160112' post='23480531
Yep! Everyone wants to bash heel toe on the street, ...
Really? Everyone? I didn't get that impression. Some people said it wasn't needed (silly, even). But some people said they do it all the time. Some said they try to, but find it difficult. I didn't take a head count, but I don't think everyone is bashing heel and toe on the street.

One of my exes was amazingly proficient at heel and toe. He did it in every car all the time, no matter what... even in a 1963 Ford Galaxie 500 that he had. It made for a very smooth ride when he was driving, and I was always just amazed at how he could adapt to every vehicle. It was pretty disgusting, to tell you the truth.

(^^ joking about it being disgusting, of course!)
I was not necessarily referring to this thread, but there have been others just like it and conversations I have been involved in, where people are opposed to heel toe on the street.
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 07:30 AM
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Not opposed, just stating there is no need. Whomever is heel and toeing from 40 mph to zero? Well...lol
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Car Analogy
You can, and should, practice H&T on virtually every downshift, on every drive.

Practice makes perfect.
this. i do it every single day on almost every downshift. of course it is more tricky with hard braking. but the s2k is very very easy to heel toe. watch initial D seriously they have alot of different techniques on driving, cornering, braking, ect.
its seriously super easy to do it in the s2000 if you cant do it, then i dont know what to tell you just keep practicing.
Its all about being balanced and smooth
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 12:46 PM
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H/T on the street really allows one to be smoother and more "efficient" when cornering by merging the braking and shifting operation.

Maintaining speed thru corners is a way to have fun without exceeding prudent limits on the street.

All rev matching, when done perfectly basically eliminates clutch wear.


On the track, the challenge is to get optimum braking while downshifting into the corner. I could H&T my 911 on the track but maintaining the BP pressure I wanted while blipping the throttle was not something I mastered. Essentially , I gave back some of the advantage.
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