Well put!

 

Additionally, here's my personal perspective:
I've driven both and I've experienced the differences. However, the differences are so very minute relative to the differences of the S2000 vs. any other car.

Certainly when there are differences people are going to have preferences. Fine, buy the one that suits you best and stop trying to convince everyone else they made the wrong choice.

I fell in love with the S2000 before it even hit showroom floors. However, I have an AP2 because it was the version that was available new at the time I was ready to purchase.

I believe the AP1 is just as easily driven daily as the AP2. I believe the AP2 is every bit the sports car as the AP1.

I just don't understand the constant animosity that some portray in their posts for the opposite group.

 

[QUOTE=RED MX5,May 17 2007, 06:00 PM] I'm not really mad, but I am a little tired of some of the on-going arguments that keep popping up, and I'm not the only one.

 

[QUOTE=RED MX5,May 17 2007, 09:00 PM]Do the same thing with an F22C and it's a totally different situation.

 

You can't honestly expect 70,000 users to join each other in harmony, singing and dancing trying to catch a butterfly. You give off the impression of someone who is a bit older than the new crowd (definitely +30), I'm actually surprised by your idealist optimism

If you really are out to put out the flame, I suggest making a second thread where you actually list, fact-by-fact, the differences and the nuances of each engine/make rather than have long paragraphs riddled with jokes. If the reader isn't already prejudiced against your opinion as a poster, the factual, listed thread will no doubt be much more effective.

I'm posting this because I don't think this thread actually delivers the message you were originally seeking to deliver properly or as powerfully as it could--and I wholeheartedly support putting an end to the childish ap1/ap2 whinefest. I would gladly make the new thread myself, but I simply don't have the knowledge, nor the celebrity status socially required for such a high-profile sticky thread

 

For the record, how Honda increased displacement is interesting. Increased stroke instead of increase bore. One wonders if they increased the bore only if the 9K redline could have been kept. Also sense this leads easilly to the AP1 vs AP2 debate, mentioning things like VSA and DBW become important, I know I'm happy to have both in the rain or ice.

I certainly agree for the most part. The regular childish trash talk and idiodic sarcasm (BTW- If you are going to use sarcasm, it must be both funny and high brow.), have made me leave the site multiple times. Once for a couple months. Keep in mind though that if someone just spent 30K on something, they're going to be a fan. I know I am. But I'm willing to discuss the points logically or agree to disagree.

 

I agree with you red, a good argument is always good. But it needs to be filled with well informed ideas and facts. I tend to stay away from the general chat because I don't know how that person is when he replies in a sarcastic post. I just stick to the regional section because i know how everyone is in person.

But the whole AP1 vs AP2 is stupid, because everyone has their own style. I love the AP1, its more raw and more drivers game. AP2 to me is a bit more laxed and refined. But it does look more sexier thou than the AP1 and the interior is more pleasing. Just that with a AP1 i feel more at home I guess you can say.

 

Hi Chuck,

I'm getting an education from this thread, thanks to guys like you.

What I have seen in this thread is that I've made a variation of a mistake that I've warned others against. I've let the posts of a few give me the wrong impression of a larger group. I was actually starting to think that the majority of AP2 owners were too sensitive about their cars to be able to discuss its history without getting their feelings hurt. Now that I've heard from more of the silent majority (of AP2 owners) it's pretty clear that the few who can't discuss the evolution of the car without crying about it are actually a small, but very vocal, minority. I was also thinking that we had too many "AP1 wankers," but that too was just the result of my seeing the vocal minority as being larger than it actually is.

Now I realize that the same thing I warn people about when it comes to threads about problems with the car also applies to people. Sometimes it only takes a few problems to make it seem like the whole world is falling apart.

I don't know if I'm even going to TRY to respond to all the new posts in this thread, but I do appreciate all of them. I sure hope I'm not going to get too discouraged before I get through reading all the new posts.

Thanks for the kind words and support.

 

Well, I see the extra margin for error as a plus, not something that turns the car into a boat, and it's not like the cars can't be modified if someone doesn't like some particular aspect of the way it performs or responds. It's merely a matter of fact that the F22C is more tolerant of missed shifts. Billman has established this beyond any reasonable doubt (of course there will always be some room for doubt, but you know what I mean ). This change should not be upsetting people who have the F22C. It makes the engine less prone to failure if you ever make a mistake. Why is this any different from the new DBW? The DBW makes the car less likely to spin when the driver makes a mistake. How is that a bad thing?

You may well be right, and I thank you for pointing up something that some might misunderstand. That's EXACTLY what I'm looking for in this thread.

Thanks!

 

[QUOTE=__redruM,May 18 2007, 11:12 AM]For the record, how Honda increased displacement is interesting. Increased stroke instead of increase bore.