Ok explain the differences in the weave. To say they don't pay attention to the weave is just plain wrong, IMO. That's implying they actually make the weave. Which obviously isn't the case, they buy the weave and use it in their mold. There are many different types of Carbon weave from the weight to the pattern. But mugen isn't the one making the weave. I've seen at least 4 different Mugen hoods, and the only problem they have is they are using the wrong width sheet. Which can just be because they weight of the sheet they use is not available in the width they need. That's why there is a slightly noticable line in their hoods.

Explain how a half CF/half Fiberglass J's V type hood would rank higher then a Mugen hood? The rankings don't make sense. Hell if you are ranking it on quality of CF, then Cwest should get knocked down. The are notoriously known for not caring what the weave looks like, since they consider their parts race-only.

This is not a Mugen camp thing, this is a tell it like it is. J's has clearly stolen Mugen's design's on the intake and hood. So the R&D costs are considerably lower. This is a fact and it shouldn't be ignored when making statements about cost.

 

good point

 

[QUOTE=turbo_pwr,Oct 18 2004, 07:45 PM] This is not a Mugen camp thing, this is a tell it like it is.

 

I've never heard of "first molding". Do they have a website or anything, or are they just a manufacturer?

 

First Molding Homepage

 

Fact - The full carbon Type V hood is a much better quality product compared to the full carbon Mugen hood.

I'm didn't make a comment about price or who designed/manufactured what. It's simply "telling it like it is". And when you give consumers the choice, it's gonna be either side of the coin ... You like it, or you don't ... Period.

 

i like both hoods but have yet to have seen them in person. Can't wait to see the pictures of the hood on your car j'sap1

 

so... the question is can you just buy the hood straight from firstmolding instead from J's and save couple hundred bucks??

 

[QUOTE=alexchou,Oct 19 2004, 12:14 AM] so... the question is can you just buy the hood straight from firstmolding instead from J's and save couple hundred bucks??

 

Again, that is just a statement based on what facts? Do you know how J's/First Molding makes their hood compared to Mugen? Do you know the exact quality/weight of weave they are using? It's not a fact unless you can quantify your statement, at which point neither of you have done. I agree that the consumer has the choice. That's what a free market is about, but that's not the discussion. The discussion/debate is how you can prove that it is a"much better quality product". Break out the data to support your claim and then how you can claim that Mugen's not worth the money and J's is when they stole the design. One company can justify the cost because they went through the trouble to design and test, the other didn't. So the thinking is backwards IMO.