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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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edmunds writes an article about how DSG and F1 transmissions can be faster than true manuals, but that drivers suffer from being disconnected from the car. to me the s2000 is one of the kings of the driver involved manual transmissions. what do you guys think about the evolution of transmissions?

here's the edmunds article:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Featu...rticleId=110078
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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i think it just sucks to see good ol' manuals becoming less and less important
most younger guys here do not know how to drive a stick , and they kinda get a shock to discover my car is manual
IMO every car with a sporting flair should have a manual tranny option
but the sad thing is that they are kinda not selling well next to automatics
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 01:01 AM
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There will always be a manual transmission car, given that consumers demand it. Personally I'm not buying into all this DSG, SMG, F1 crap. Give me a 6-speed manual please.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 01:36 AM
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agreed, try the smg stuff and you be wanting a stick again very shortly... its really not the same
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:44 AM
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Fortunatly the vast majority of cars sold in Sweden are still MT, and naturally stickshift. I guess this just might not be a _global_ problem.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Saud2k,Apr 26 2006, 02:16 AM
i think it just sucks to see good ol' manuals becoming less and less important
most younger guys here do not know how to drive a stick , and they kinda get a shock to discover my car is manual
IMO every car with a sporting flair should have a manual tranny option
but the sad thing is that they are kinda not selling well next to automatics
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:09 AM
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I have to agree that there's something pleasing about the mechanics of manual shifting -- getting the motions of hand, arm, foot (feet, actually) all smoothly synchronized.

But for efficiency and performance, don't knock those new DSG boxes until you've tried them. HPH
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:44 AM
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Nobody is saying that shifting a manual is faster compared to a DSG or a SMG. Every ham-fisted driver misses a shift every once in a while. It happens. All we're saying is that a 6-speed is simply a lot more fun to drive.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:48 AM
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Yea the new Volkswagen DSG will be the benchmark, BMW's SMG is pretty poopy.

VW has the right idea though, in the new GTI it's a 6-speed manual standard, with teh DSG replacing the automatic.

So basically you either get a single clutch manual or a 2 clutch automatic with paddle shifting........If this is the future of performance cars me like.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DM725,Apr 26 2006, 04:48 AM
Yea the new Volkswagen DSG will be the benchmark, BMW's SMG is pretty poopy.

VW has the right idea though, in the new GTI it's a 6-speed manual standard, with teh DSG replacing the automatic.

So basically you either get a single clutch manual or a 2 clutch automatic with paddle shifting........If this is the future of performance cars me like.
That I could live with. Of course it makes shopping for a used car a bit more difficult, because you have to worry about what transmission it has. That's what I liked about the S2000 when I was shopping for one: I knew they were all 6-speed.
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