Reported in the latest Car and Driver, besides the glass defrosted rear window "...a newer, stouter transmission"

And in Road and Track, "...a newer and quieter transmission..."

Well, it seems that there ought to be a retrofit and our complants and "beta" testing have proved true!!!

I'm pissed!!!

 

Improvement from one generation to the next happens in all industries. I do not expect the new transmission, only to get the one I have to work properly.

 

Well Honda released an official statement about the '02 S2000 and it mentions, "The 2002 S2000 is equipped with an improved transmission for smoother and quieter shifts. The S2000 also has a new high-capacity clutch."

Wonder if Honda will replace (free of charge) all the weak clutches on the '00 and '01 models?

 

Hi STL, Cdelena, and everyone

Seems to me that one of the problems here is that Honda developed an upgraded clutch disk which was recommended for the TSB. The problem is that Honda has not had these new parts available and so most if not all TSB work involved swapping out the inadequate part with another just like it.

Original Part Number:

22200-PCX-005 Disk Comp 6234132

Updated Part Number:

22200-PCX-025 Disk Comp 6234132

Not surprisingly, the problem with the clutch disk has returned for many owners, me included. If the upgraded clutch for 2002 includes the "updated part" then we should get it. If it includes the "updated part" and others to make it work right, we should get those as well.

As to the transmission, there are several issues:

1. clashing during 1-2 shift even with clutch depressed;
2. popping out of gear.
3. notchy shifting
4. inability to select reverse (lock out won't disengage)

For me, I didn't have any problem with popping out of gear until after the transmission TSB was done. It was not until after the TSB work that mine suffered from notchy shifting. The TSB has had no effect on the intermittent problem of reverse lock out.

Clearly, we are probably not talking about an entirely new transmission for 2002, but rather upgraded internals which correct these known issues.

The reverse lock out issue clearly has safety implications and inability to select reverse could result in injury or worse.

It seems to me that Honda should upgrade those problem transmissions and clutches in 2000-2001 S2000s with whatever fix they came up with for the 2002s.

I think this is a serious issue and that it if individuals cannot get a satisfactory fix from Honda then it might be better if those many owners with these problems communicated with AHM as a group rather than individually.

With hope that Honda does the right thing here,
2x6

 

I think my tranny is f'ed up anyways.. anyone have any clue as to how much a new replacment tranny would cost?? I have ground like 30-40 times or so from when I drive agressively and now ever time I shift in to fifth it catches the gear and then slips in. I can just imagine every time I shift in to 5th a little shaving of the gear just biten off and floats around in the tranny fluid... The gear is probably trashed ..

Also, when are the new s2000's going to be available??

 

if honda refuse to do that for us, will you wanna buy the new tranny?

maybe it'd be cheaper to get '02s...

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2x6spds
[B]The TSB has had no effect on the intermittent problem of reverse lock out.

 

I agree with 2x6. I have had the Tranny TSB done twice for the 1-2. NOW I have a 1-2 grind, notchy third and a brand new improved 4-5 grind. I have complained and am waiting to talk to the area rep again. I will post his comments, but I expect the bad news.

 

Hi STL

Yes, the reverse lock out problem in the S2000 is different from what you describe. The reverse lock out is defeated by pressing straight down on the shift knob and then engaging reverse. When suffering, the shift knob won't go down, the lock out won't release and there's no question about getting into reverse, you're not even in the ballpark.

2x6

[QUOTE]Originally posted by STL
[B]My Civic started doing something like that after I owned the car a couple years (and my wife's Prelude does it too).

 

Wow, SUis1, that's bad!

I know many folks reported increased notchiness after TSB with the hope it would pass. It hasn't. I've had the 4-5 grind a few times, thankfully not many. My 1-2 grind is gone, so at least the dealership which worked on mine put most of the parts back in place.

I think it's clear that my proposed solution is the only one which should be satisfactory to those with these problems. Good luck to you!

2x6spds