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I can't believe how many people think that running super oil will make any difference. I am all for running a name brand oil, so in the event of the unexpected you have a large company backing it. However, the differences between Mobil, Valvoline, Amsoil, Pennzoil or Redline will be impossible to detect in most conditions. The only time I would advice running a synthetic oil is if the car is FI, where the oil can see extreme's unlike a NA motor. For most stock(or near stock) cars, there will be zero benefits to running designer oil- cars are built much better now then 20 years ago and the engines are seldom what causes them to go to the salvage yard.
So if you really want to "connect" with your car or you fall prey to the placebo effect, run fancy, expensive oil. If you have a level head on your shoulders and don't buy into gimmicks, just ran any major brand conventional motor oil and use what you save to take your GF/wife out to dinner(it may take a few oil changes)- but you'll get more reward out of that then you will from running super oil.
So if you really want to "connect" with your car or you fall prey to the placebo effect, run fancy, expensive oil. If you have a level head on your shoulders and don't buy into gimmicks, just ran any major brand conventional motor oil and use what you save to take your GF/wife out to dinner(it may take a few oil changes)- but you'll get more reward out of that then you will from running super oil.
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Originally Posted by audiophile,May 25 2005, 03:34 PM
I can't believe how many people think that running super oil will make any difference. I am all for running a name brand oil, so in the event of the unexpected you have a large company backing it. However, the differences between Mobil, Valvoline, Amsoil, Pennzoil or Redline will be impossible to detect in most conditions. The only time I would advice running a synthetic oil is if the car is FI, where the oil can see extreme's unlike a NA motor. For most stock(or near stock) cars, there will be zero benefits to running designer oil- cars are built much better now then 20 years ago and the engines are seldom what causes them to go to the salvage yard.
So if you really want to "connect" with your car or you fall prey to the placebo effect, run fancy, expensive oil. If you have a level head on your shoulders and don't buy into gimmicks, just ran any major brand conventional motor oil and use what you save to take your GF/wife out to dinner(it may take a few oil changes)- but you'll get more reward out of that then you will from running super oil.
So if you really want to "connect" with your car or you fall prey to the placebo effect, run fancy, expensive oil. If you have a level head on your shoulders and don't buy into gimmicks, just ran any major brand conventional motor oil and use what you save to take your GF/wife out to dinner(it may take a few oil changes)- but you'll get more reward out of that then you will from running super oil.
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Originally Posted by audiophile,May 25 2005, 04:34 PM
I can't believe how many people think that running super oil will make any difference. I am all for running a name brand oil, so in the event of the unexpected you have a large company backing it. However, the differences between Mobil, Valvoline, Amsoil, Pennzoil or Redline will be impossible to detect in most conditions. The only time I would advice running a synthetic oil is if the car is FI, where the oil can see extreme's unlike a NA motor. For most stock(or near stock) cars, there will be zero benefits to running designer oil- cars are built much better now then 20 years ago and the engines are seldom what causes them to go to the salvage yard.
So if you really want to "connect" with your car or you fall prey to the placebo effect, run fancy, expensive oil. If you have a level head on your shoulders and don't buy into gimmicks, just ran any major brand conventional motor oil and use what you save to take your GF/wife out to dinner(it may take a few oil changes)- but you'll get more reward out of that then you will from running super oil.
So if you really want to "connect" with your car or you fall prey to the placebo effect, run fancy, expensive oil. If you have a level head on your shoulders and don't buy into gimmicks, just ran any major brand conventional motor oil and use what you save to take your GF/wife out to dinner(it may take a few oil changes)- but you'll get more reward out of that then you will from running super oil.
our car happens to do VERY WELL with synthetic (synthetic oils tend to have a better oxygen uptake and higher NOACK which is good for a high revving n/a engine like the S2000). and there ARE differences between all of the oils. oil isn't just oil. there are differences in synthetic and regular, and there are differences between the brands. please educate yourself before you lead someone down the wrong path. road rage, who is responsible for most of our oil journals, is a tribologist. maybe you should find out what that means, and read his posts to see his credentials before you offer an opposing opinion based on..... well you never said what you based your opinion on.
oil journals
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=195574
difference between 10w30 oils
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.p...threadid=169852
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,May 25 2005, 06:31 PM
lol please read the oil journals before you throw your opinion out there. our car happens to do VERY WELL with synthetic (synthetic oils tend to have a better oxygen uptake and higher NOACK which is good for a high revving n/a engine like the S2000). and there ARE differences between all of the oils. oil isn't just oil. there are differences in synthetic and regular, and there are differences between the brands. please educate yourself before you lead someone down the wrong path.
road rage, who is responsible for most of our oil journals, is a tribologist. maybe you should find out what that means, and read his posts to see his credentials before you offer an opposing opinion based on..... well you never said what you based your opinion on.
oil journals
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=195574
difference between 10w30 oils
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.p...threadid=169852
our car happens to do VERY WELL with synthetic (synthetic oils tend to have a better oxygen uptake and higher NOACK which is good for a high revving n/a engine like the S2000). and there ARE differences between all of the oils. oil isn't just oil. there are differences in synthetic and regular, and there are differences between the brands. please educate yourself before you lead someone down the wrong path. road rage, who is responsible for most of our oil journals, is a tribologist. maybe you should find out what that means, and read his posts to see his credentials before you offer an opposing opinion based on..... well you never said what you based your opinion on.
oil journals
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=195574
difference between 10w30 oils
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.p...threadid=169852
I stand by my comments that in the real world in most "normal" cases, it will make NO difference. I have been servicing cars for long enough not to let the techno-babble impact me. If you feel better running $8/qt oil because in a lab its better, be my guest, but I am telling you in the real world it won't matter.
The exception would be if the car is heavily modified(FI for example) or is raced and will see extreme service.
I appreciate your passion, but your not going to change decades of experience in the field with lab tests- at least to this driver.