Ok Honda... Enough Is Enough. Where's the S3000?
Originally posted by s2000vtec
i personally thing that honda is a car company that puts more emphasis on its accords and civics. This is where i think that they make the most of thier money. The s2000 and the nsx are not thier primary concerns when it comes to making money. My opinion i think is that they should make a $40000 sports car under the acura name and make it compete with the likes of an M3 or an S4, also it needs rear wheel drive. However we dont see honda making a rear wheel drive car in the future.soooo we might as well see if how the tl a-spec or the new rl will fair
i personally thing that honda is a car company that puts more emphasis on its accords and civics. This is where i think that they make the most of thier money. The s2000 and the nsx are not thier primary concerns when it comes to making money. My opinion i think is that they should make a $40000 sports car under the acura name and make it compete with the likes of an M3 or an S4, also it needs rear wheel drive. However we dont see honda making a rear wheel drive car in the future.soooo we might as well see if how the tl a-spec or the new rl will fair
And don't give me that crap about it takes millions of dollars bla bla bla. As many versions of of the same car that every other car maker puts out, I know that it can be done without the company going under.
If that ever happened with the S, I believe the sales of the NSX would deminish because the S would be faster and cheaper. I don't think Honda is going to make a $35,000 faster than their $80,000 car and take the risk. Thus leaving the S as a 2.0 or 2.2 liter.
Q. Is the S2k perfect as it is? Or Can it be improved?
A. Of course it's not perfect, and of course it can be improved. People do it EVERY day with aftermarket modifications.
Q. Why not just mod your S2k to make it a Z06, STi, whatever else killer?
A. Honda won't warrenty it, and it costs money that is not included in the purchase loan. This is not an option for a lot of people.
Q. Why doesn't honda make a faster sports car?
A. I don't know. However, it does not seem to me like the S2000 was designed to compete with anyone in particular. It costs much more than a Miata, but it beats it like a red-headed step child to so no comparo. It costs way less than a Z3/Z4 or a Boxter (and beats them up too.) If Honda wanted to compete in this market they would have made the car $40-$50K, badged it an Acura in the States and made it a little more "plush." Keep in mind that when this car was designed and built it was to honor the first car the HONDA company ever made the S500, and the 50th anniversary of the company. The car sold, and sold well so they decided to keep making it. If we want them to change the car, we would have to stop buying them (as a whole of course, not just us as individuals.)
I would love to see a Honda that could take on the Corvette directly in both performance AND price. The AP1 chassis would be a great starting platform. Perhaps stretch the wheel base a little. Get an all aluminum V6 to fit behind the front axle. Mabey a little boost to it from the factory and get out 400HP for $50k. I would love it, but I would not expect to see it.
A. Of course it's not perfect, and of course it can be improved. People do it EVERY day with aftermarket modifications.
Q. Why not just mod your S2k to make it a Z06, STi, whatever else killer?
A. Honda won't warrenty it, and it costs money that is not included in the purchase loan. This is not an option for a lot of people.
Q. Why doesn't honda make a faster sports car?
A. I don't know. However, it does not seem to me like the S2000 was designed to compete with anyone in particular. It costs much more than a Miata, but it beats it like a red-headed step child to so no comparo. It costs way less than a Z3/Z4 or a Boxter (and beats them up too.) If Honda wanted to compete in this market they would have made the car $40-$50K, badged it an Acura in the States and made it a little more "plush." Keep in mind that when this car was designed and built it was to honor the first car the HONDA company ever made the S500, and the 50th anniversary of the company. The car sold, and sold well so they decided to keep making it. If we want them to change the car, we would have to stop buying them (as a whole of course, not just us as individuals.)
I would love to see a Honda that could take on the Corvette directly in both performance AND price. The AP1 chassis would be a great starting platform. Perhaps stretch the wheel base a little. Get an all aluminum V6 to fit behind the front axle. Mabey a little boost to it from the factory and get out 400HP for $50k. I would love it, but I would not expect to see it.
Honda seems to strive off of the most out of the least. Even though the NSX is underpowered, it still competes in the JGTC in the class where everything else is pretty much on boost, and the NSX remains NA and puts up a good fight. I feel like Honda is just as much into it's performance as it is its token cars like the Accord.
Power to weight ratio and handling seem to be the big ordeal with the S and NSX. Which both are superb at what they were built for. Could the NSX have a little more power...sure, so could the S, but..... they are competitive in NA form unlike most other Import Manufacturers... Boost?? Honda laughs and puts out NA cars that are right there with the boosted.
Example... how many fast all-motor Supra's do you see, or Eclipses? My bet is 0. How many all-motor Honda's have beaten up on a daily basis boosted counterparts? Just my .02
Power to weight ratio and handling seem to be the big ordeal with the S and NSX. Which both are superb at what they were built for. Could the NSX have a little more power...sure, so could the S, but..... they are competitive in NA form unlike most other Import Manufacturers... Boost?? Honda laughs and puts out NA cars that are right there with the boosted.
Example... how many fast all-motor Supra's do you see, or Eclipses? My bet is 0. How many all-motor Honda's have beaten up on a daily basis boosted counterparts? Just my .02
Honda knows what they are doing. They set out to make an affordable sports and they did. Adding another engine option would drive up the cost. Honda would either have to upgrade the entire drivetrain to handle the output of the larger engine or engineer a new one. Either way it is adding to the cost. Even if they throw the additional cost onto the people that want the additional power there has to be enough sales to cover the development costs. It would be more likely that they would have to fluff the cost of the cheaper version thus increasing the cost of the car entirely.
Having a larger engine as an option would also upset the balance of the car. Honda would have to make some sort of compromise between the two engine configurations in the weight distribution which goes against the whole idea behind the S2000.
Having a larger engine as an option would also upset the balance of the car. Honda would have to make some sort of compromise between the two engine configurations in the weight distribution which goes against the whole idea behind the S2000.









