ftp://62.2.156.244/Rennstrecke/

file: nordschleife.avi

greets mick

 

Since this thread is active again, I'll repeat a query:
The other linked video, of a german mag track test, shows a rather disappointing handling test time as compared to some competition the S2000 usually vanquishes:
Audi TT-Q: 19.65 s
BMW Z3 3.0: 19.92 s
Opel Speedster: 20.07 s
Civic Type R (!): 20.31 s
S2000 20.47 s

The driver seems to be driving the wheels of the car, but does appear to be slow due to excessive slides. Did he just have a bad lap and are they not reporting a "best lap"? Any other reason the S2K would be expected to run behind pretty beatable competition?

 

FcGuy, what are those times in relation to? A handling course (slalom)? If so, then any data that hasn't been collected at the same time (i.e. same atmospheric conditions; temp, humidity, etc) really isn't comparable.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FCGuy
[B]Since this thread is active again, I'll repeat a query:
The other linked video, of a german mag track test, shows a rather disappointing handling test time as compared to some competition the S2000 usually vanquishes:
Audi TT-Q:

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by swiss2k
[B]now online...

one lap green hell (n

 

@ vaporS2k

The video taped Lap is NOT the timed Lap!!!

Although this handling course is way to short for the S2000.
On this track you are lost if you dont have low end torque!

Which the Audi TT has way more due to its turbo engine.

Basically it's about the engine not that much about the handling!

Yves

 

About the lap times in the test: Its known that a Civic Type R does slightly better on a course that includes wet pavement than the S2000. Other European magazines have highlighted this. The S02 tires simply aren't good in the wet- they are much closer to slicks. You'd really need to have similar tires on all of the cars to do a good comparison on wet and dry surfaces. Tire tread matters a lot.

I don't think its about torque at all. I regularly see Miata's beat much higher torque cars on handling courses. But S02's have no traction on water.

-B

 

it's hard to say make that assumption that due to the lack in torque the s2k is slower. Reason I said that the s2k can be driven faster and is a faster car than the rest of the group is that the s2k requires a skilled driver. Our cars are not easy to just jump into and drive it 10/10ths. We might be working ourselves, but will never reach the true limit of the car. Another board member here relates the s2k a go-kart, reliant on momentum rather than muscle. Put the s2k in the hands of a driver that understands that and the car will shine, but then put the s2k in the hands of driver that's used to driving a high power car, and the car will not shine. That guy was just trying to drift the car and put on a show. That's my opinion. You cannot say that because the course was short and set for torquer cars, the s2k was slower in that regard. Just go to a few auto-x's and the s2k outhandles and leaves the competition in the dust, rarely a TT being able to keep up let alone other cars. Just take a look at other cars in the s2k class of B-Stock. Like I said, it's all about driver. The car's potential is there, just requires the right driver to make it happen.

 

@ Vapor...

sorry I wasn't really clear on that...the track has many slow and very sharp turns what isn't really the terrain of the S.(which indeed leads the driver more liekely to drive for fun (drifts) than for a good track time)

But you are right...in the S2000 it's even more up to the driver than in other cars.
You really need to be in the right gear.

But again...I sometimes go to mountain roads with a friend of mine who has a 2.0 Turbo engine in his Opel (200 HP) and on these twisty roads....you know 180 deg turn 300 feet strait...again 180 deg turn he is definitely faster out of the bends than I am.
First because his full torque is @ 1800 rpms
Second because I can't really use the first gear (it doesn't feel right to shift in 1st when braeking into the bend because you'll end up @8000 rpms...the poor car ) and second gear you are just under the VTEC so he always takes approx 60 to 120 feet on me before I start getting closer to him again...of course at the last third of the strait I have to break not to run him into the bumper but still...

I guess you get what I want to point out...

Now imagine there is less than 100 feet between the curves...guess who would be the first one on top?!

Yves

 

Nothing wrong with 8k rpms!! Sounds like a good time for heel-toeing, maybe even a little double-clutching would be nice with the high rpm difference in the downshift to 1st. But it can be done smoothly, and you can get that power to your advantage!