YEP maybe through but then you have to shift whitin some 10th of a second again which takes you time again while my friend just stays in second and pulls away!

I tried it all...

You definitely are in disadvantage on those types of roads

Yves

P.S.: I've got a new Video of the Nuerburgring with the S2000...BTG 9.08 if anyone is inteessted please let me know and I'll PM the link!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DavidM
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Yves, I wish you could make to some of the auto-x we have here...there are 90 degree, 180 degree and all kinds of turns and depending on the racing line the s2k can come out just as fast as corvette or viper or miata. I know what you are saying about torque, but honestly it doesn't matter. You're speaking of tight low speed turns and you don't need torque to come out of them fast, trick is to set things up early with car by taking a different line than your friend in the TT and be on the gas as early as possible. You should not be following the same line as the TT...they are heavy cars is it a Quattro model or front wheel drive? regardless, it's a different racing line requiring different braking technique and throttle technique to keep up the momentum of the car, where on torquer cars, you could simply brake in straight line and get back on the gas...Something you can't do at all on the s2k, avoid as little braking as possible and set up the car perfectly in order to get on the throttle early.

Please send me the link of the s2k doing 9.08 BTG on the 'ring.

 

i have a vid of an s doing 8:12 btg, but it's VHS! gotta get me a video card...

 

Yup, I'm with Steve on this one.

Driving the S2000 fast is all about keeping it in the right gear. It demands a lot more work (and skill) from the driver than most other cars, and is one of the reasons that this car isn't for everyone, and sometimes shows poorly in performance comparisons.

Sure, there are lots of times when you don't want to do the work to drive it as fast as possible, and it will then be slower than other, easier to drive cars. But that doesn't make the S2000 a slower car.

 

The other linked video, of a german mag track test, shows a rather disappointing handling test time as compared to some competition the S2000 usually vanquishes:
Audi TT-Q: 19.65 s
BMW Z3 3.0: 19.92 s
Opel Speedster: 20.07 s
Civic Type R (!): 20.31 s
S2000 20.47 s

The driver seems to be driving the wheels of the car, but does appear to be slow due to excessive slides. Did he just have a bad lap and are they not reporting a "best lap"? Any other reason the S2K would be expected to run behind pretty beatable competition?

I am pretty sure that it all the times are in the dry and that they are done by the same driver so I'd say that they are pretty comperable (even though not 100% accurate). Looks like on this track and in this guy's hands the S2000 did poorly ... I'd say that is all there is to it. I'm sure that you can get a certain section and a certain driver who will be quicker in an MX5 (Miata) than in the S2000.

Also, I'm pretty sure that what you see in the video is not the timed lap ... they usually do a sequence of timed laps (from which they publish the best one) and then they go out for some 'fun' footage.

Still on the subject of lap-times - here's the before-mentioned car's timed laps from a 'shortish' track (tight by track standars but not like the super tight hanling-loop they used in the vodeo) ... it's from "Sports Auto" and again all in the dry and by the same driver:
- Audi TT 1.8T Quattro = 1:20.4
- Audi TT Roadster = 1:21.3
- BMW Z3 3.0 = 1:20.5
- BMW Z3 Coupe 3.0 = 1:18.4
- Honda Civic Type R = 1:20.9
- Honda S2000 = 1:18.9

As you can see, them S2000 did well here ... just a different place and different driver.

Its known that a Civic Type R does slightly better on a course that includes wet pavement than the S2000. Other European magazines have highlighted this. The S02 tires simply aren't good in the wet- they are much closer to slicks. You'd really need to have similar tires on all of the cars to do a good comparison on wet and dry surfaces. Tire tread matters a lot.

I disagree with most of what you're saying. S02s are better in wet than most tyres. If you take it to an extreme, and use racing slicks, than you will find that they are a fair bit quicker than using any road tyre ... that is in the wet. Where these tyres stop functioning (or preforming well) is in standing water, not wet. On a wet track you're often quicker with the 100% slicks than with a wet-tyre as the tyre still has contanct with the road.

Also, I've done a couple auto-X type events in my S2000 (with S02s) where the track was made wet (ie. sprinklers) and the results (ie. order of lap-times) was no different in the wet of dry ... there ware always the same cars slower than me - wet or dry.

Although this handling course is way to short for the S2000.
On this track you are lost if you dont have low end torque! ... because I can't really use the first gear (it doesn't feel right to shift in 1st when braeking into the bend because you'll end up @8000 rpms...the poor car)...

When on an auto-X track or realy tight tiece of bitumen, I often go into the 1st gear. I never used to in any other car but the S2000 seems lo 'like it'. If you rev-match then the S2000 has the 1st gear very easily available and the gear-change can be very smooth. In 1st gear you need only 45kph (28mph) in order to be in the 'power band'. Very few corners where you need to go slower.

Though, you're right about the '2 extra gear-changes' - they do loose you time ... eaah time you change gear you lose a fraction of a second so sometimes it's better leave it in 2nd.

I've got a new Video of the Nuerburgring with the S2000...BTG 9.08 if anyone is inteessted please let me know and I'll PM the link!

Yes please ... I'd like to get it.

Just curious on what gear are you using for 60mph and 100km/h.

2nd gear for both 60mph (ie. 96.5kph) as well as 100kph. 2nd gear in the S2000 will reach 105kph (ie. 65.6mph) at 9000rpm. That means that when you reach 8,600rpm in 2nd then you're doing 100kph. Or if you want to reach 60mph, then you just need 8,300rpm in 2nd gear.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DavidM
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Nice!!!! Thats all I got to say

 

Instrumented tests gave me 0.27 seconds from 60mph to 61.9mph (100km/h). So those 0.4-0.5 seconds are definitely way off the mark.

Hey Luis, glad that you got to get some 'real' data for this .... though 61.9mph is not 100kph ... it's more like 99kph. To get 100kph you need to get up to 62.2mph. So looking at your data:

6.39 0.06 0.36 0.35 60.0 0.090 192
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6.71 0.09 0.27 0.31 62.2 0.098 177

That gives us 0.32sec difference between 60mph and 100kph. Between your test and Top Gear's, it looks like the difference would for the S2000 would fall in the 0.3 - 0.4 range.

ps. Can your little 'gadget' tell you what the revs are as well? I'm
wondeirng what exactly the revs drop to on the 1st to 2nd shift (as well as the 2nd to 3rd shift) when up-shifting at redline?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DavidM
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