Whats mods do you run, cause with an intake, and STB, i'm in ASP and i've seen a stock S even put in the AS class.

 

Hehe well the Tennessee Region SCCA has created 2 new local only classes called OS(open street)R/F(rear/front wheel drive) they also created a class for themselves called PRO where the top drivers compete using PAX times. I have no mods so I run in BS, last year the S2000 was in AS.

 

Brad,
IMHO
I though the Sport Compact Car article was not a very thorough brake comparison. The Spoon car was 650 lbs. lighter than Dave's car. Secondly, tire compounds (Dave-hoosier's,Spoon-yoko slicks) dictate how soon the car will stop. The more negative camber you have the less of a contact patch you have, the later a car will stop. And the different suspension set up(Spoon car looked slammed, Dave's is a daily driver) has limiting factors that contribute to front/rear load-stock car should exhibit more nose dive.

If there was to be a comparison of brake systems in the near future, I would personally like to see:

1) Same brake pads used
2) Same tires both compound and size if possible
3) Same suspension ('00-'01, or '02)
4) Similar vehicle weight.

 

The stopping distance is only a small part of a brake systems ability . You are correct on a lot of your assumptions . What the article shows is our system is not upsetting the braking bias or ABS system . Dave can tell you that the system can handle the track . We remove almost 27lbs of unsprung weight . Dave's car also had our rear ultra-light Wave rotors on for the test ( Dave's brake kit has over 3,000 track miles on them ) many posts were made ( by many Nay-Sayers) that said that they would not hold up on the track . Dave is on his third set of cast iron front rotors and he is still using the same rear Wave rotors that came with the kit .

What the article proves is :

A car owner can install kit .
Kit will work as designed
Kit does not upset cars braking bias
Kit does not effect ABS
Kit is able to handle the heat of being used on a race track , under racing conditions .

We were not aware that Dave's car was going to be used for this comparison . I am sure that we could have tweaked his car , to actually stop sooner than the Spoon car .

We are very pleased with the results and weight difference and sticky tires made the 4' difference . You can see this in the skid pad test .

We know that the system gives the driver better control of the brakes ( drivers ability to modulate the brakes ) You will find that with our brake system you will very rarely have the ABS come on ( this is because driver has full control of brakes) we know that the system can handle heat better than stock system and we know that the parts will hold up under racing conditions .

Using different pads will not change the system , but it will change the feel of the brakes to the driver .

I am also going to guess that the testing driver allowed ABS to do the braking for this article . That is the way that most tests are done .

brad

If you have any other questions let me know I will try to answer .

 

Fact is, you didn't tweak his brakes for the comparison and i'm glad you didn't. This way it gives a good comparison of your off-the-shelf kit against stock and the spoon car in straight-line panic stopping and the behavior of the system during racing shows as part of the lap times. I agree with Asura points...the article was not meant as a direct brake comparison but a comparison of the overall setups of the three cars including brakes, tires and everything else.

 

Wanabe

The front brake kit includes :

2 Forged aluminum racing calipers , nickel plated 1.75" pistons
2 Sets of front brake pads (your choice)
2 7075 aluminum custom adapter brackets , nickel plated
1 Set of Earl's DOT Approved front and rear stainless brake lines
2 Set of aircraft high strength mounting bolts, zinc plated
2 Forged aluminum racing rotor hats , nickel plated
2 Curved vane , directional , thermally treated , slotted and zinc plated heavy duty racing rotors 12.19 dia.
1 Sets of rotor mounting hardware , including stainless steel bushings
2 Custom residual valves
1 Custom stainless steel rigid brake line
Kit removes 9 lbs per front wheel ( total of 18 lbs of unsprung weight)

Rotors come assembled and safety wired , Kit can be installed with stock wheels and most all wheels that fit the stock brake system . Kit does not require removal of front dust shield , but we highly recommend removal for better brake cooling .

We are running special of $2,350. for complete front kit at this time .

Rear rotors include :

2 Custom steel racing Wave rotors , thermally treated and zinc plated
2 Forged aluminum racing rotor hats , nickel plated
1 Sets of rotor mounting hardware , including stainless steel bushings
Rear rotors removes almost 4

 

ps

Dave was not on his Hoosier's , he was on his Kumho Victoracer's . Times would have been quicker and shorter on the Hoosier's.

brad

 

Thanks for the clarification.

asura

 

Hey ReedZ, what type of wheels are those on the red S2000? I really like them.

Thanks,
Nix

 

Nick - I believe those are the SSR GT1's that are available through Jim @ Tire Rack.

I wanted those wheels in white before I got my Prodrives. Very clean looking wheel. Rick has them as well.