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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 07:12 PM
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Looks fine to me

Don't skip gears though
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 07:36 PM
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nice shift!

on a side note is it actually bad to chrip tires, when i get on it i normally chirp 1st to 2nd (even with the VSA on), i always thought that meant you could shift badass haha
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 09:20 PM
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I chirp the tires from 1st to 2nd when I'm getting on it. Used to roast the tires from 1st to 2nd in my M5. Never broke anything.
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 09:35 PM
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no everything looked good to me.... obviously high rpm shifts will wear the drivetrain out over time but its not something you should worry about if you have good driving habbits.
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 09:49 PM
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Tame... has anyone who responded actually listened while he was _slowly_ shifting from 2nd to 3rd.... A hard shift might be at 9k (sorry you ap2 guys, I have an AP1), without letting off on the gas. The only tire noise I heard was when he slid around the curve while decelerating in 2nd - boring....
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 07:01 AM
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tire "chirping" is independent of the gear-engagement

why do tires chirp? because the applied power to the wheel exceeds the traction

i can "shift" slow (re-position the gear lever from 1 to 2) but if i give enough gas input and engage the clutch abruptly, ill also chirp the tires.


skip-shifting does not necessarily accelerate synchronizer wear.

when do synchronizers wear more?

when there is greater rotation speed difference between the output shaft (to which the synchros are splined) and the free-spinning gear; the tapered cone/sleeve absorbs this energy.

while the clutch is disengaged, if i shift slow enough, there will be time for the input- and lay-shaft to decelerate closer to the rotation speed of the output shaft.... as if i had gone through the subsequent gears




so no, both statements are blanket and false
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by smurf2k,Jun 14 2010, 09:01 AM
why do tires chirp? because the applied power to the wheel exceeds the traction
Tires will also chirp when braking to hard. So more accurately they chirp as result of the wheels wanting to rotate at a different speed than the road surface below is encouraging.

A chirp while shifting could be several things:

1) The sound of the tires rotating faster because of a powershift (rolling burnout type of effect) which is momentary loss of traction which engine can't sustain because it's underpowered

2) The sound of tires rotating slower and breaking traction momentarily when the engine speed pulls the wheel speed down, because the quick shift resulted in the rpm being hire than the wheels allow.

3) The sound of spinning tires because the engine is producing so much power that the traction can't be maintained.

Number 1 and 2 are be bad for the car, and number 3 really isn't possible with an S2000 unless your seriously modified, likely with a turbo or maybe a supercharger. Number 3 is the only "natural" loss of traction.

Basically if you can't maintain the tires spinning on a shift by applying throttle, then the chirp is the result of a shock to the drivetrain, and is bad.
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 08:28 AM
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Oh, and OP was shifting just fine. Actually quite far from too quick! But better to err on that side, than on the too-quick grinding and chirping side of things
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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If anything, I'd say you are pushing it into 3rd too hard - no need to force things.
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark355,Jun 13 2010, 04:01 PM
Skip shifting destroys synchro sleeves.
My 2¢
Wear does not equal destroy
Destroy depends on the person skipping the shift, as well as the speed of the shift
Tires wear out too if you drive the car, does this mean yours is parked in the garage all the time?

Driven hard and enjoyed, just like it was intended
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