Question changing gears...
nice shift!
on a side note is it actually bad to chrip tires, when i get on it i normally chirp 1st to 2nd (even with the VSA on), i always thought that meant you could shift badass haha
on a side note is it actually bad to chrip tires, when i get on it i normally chirp 1st to 2nd (even with the VSA on), i always thought that meant you could shift badass haha
Tame... has anyone who responded actually listened while he was _slowly_ shifting from 2nd to 3rd.... A hard shift might be at 9k (sorry you ap2 guys, I have an AP1), without letting off on the gas. The only tire noise I heard was when he slid around the curve while decelerating in 2nd - boring....
tire "chirping" is independent of the gear-engagement
why do tires chirp? because the applied power to the wheel exceeds the traction
i can "shift" slow (re-position the gear lever from 1 to 2) but if i give enough gas input and engage the clutch abruptly, ill also chirp the tires.
skip-shifting does not necessarily accelerate synchronizer wear.
when do synchronizers wear more?
when there is greater rotation speed difference between the output shaft (to which the synchros are splined) and the free-spinning gear; the tapered cone/sleeve absorbs this energy.
while the clutch is disengaged, if i shift slow enough, there will be time for the input- and lay-shaft to decelerate closer to the rotation speed of the output shaft.... as if i had gone through the subsequent gears
so no, both statements are blanket and false
why do tires chirp? because the applied power to the wheel exceeds the traction
i can "shift" slow (re-position the gear lever from 1 to 2) but if i give enough gas input and engage the clutch abruptly, ill also chirp the tires.
skip-shifting does not necessarily accelerate synchronizer wear.
when do synchronizers wear more?
when there is greater rotation speed difference between the output shaft (to which the synchros are splined) and the free-spinning gear; the tapered cone/sleeve absorbs this energy.
while the clutch is disengaged, if i shift slow enough, there will be time for the input- and lay-shaft to decelerate closer to the rotation speed of the output shaft.... as if i had gone through the subsequent gears
so no, both statements are blanket and false
Originally Posted by smurf2k,Jun 14 2010, 09:01 AM
why do tires chirp? because the applied power to the wheel exceeds the traction
A chirp while shifting could be several things:
1) The sound of the tires rotating faster because of a powershift (rolling burnout type of effect) which is momentary loss of traction which engine can't sustain because it's underpowered
2) The sound of tires rotating slower and breaking traction momentarily when the engine speed pulls the wheel speed down, because the quick shift resulted in the rpm being hire than the wheels allow.
3) The sound of spinning tires because the engine is producing so much power that the traction can't be maintained.
Number 1 and 2 are be bad for the car, and number 3 really isn't possible with an S2000 unless your seriously modified, likely with a turbo or maybe a supercharger. Number 3 is the only "natural" loss of traction.
Basically if you can't maintain the tires spinning on a shift by applying throttle, then the chirp is the result of a shock to the drivetrain, and is bad.
Originally Posted by Mark355,Jun 13 2010, 04:01 PM
Skip shifting destroys synchro sleeves.
Wear does not equal destroy
Destroy depends on the person skipping the shift, as well as the speed of the shift
Tires wear out too if you drive the car, does this mean yours is parked in the garage all the time?
Driven hard and enjoyed, just like it was intended







