[QUOTE]Originally posted by Morris
[B]In California, writing checks that you know will not be honored is a crime. ie. arrest, handcuffs, jail time.

 

Why does everyone keep asking for the thread to not be removed? I already said I wouldn't remove it and would let it play out. The original thread was removed because spyder and tim we're working out a deal to resolve it. Leaving the thread wasn't productive at that stage. Since that deal fell through, this issue is now open again.

MG pays S2KI for advertising, nothing more. We aren't party to this transaction or any other MG or other sponsors make. It's not my job to act as mediator in these disputes. Allowing this thread to continue until the issue is resolved is frankly more involved than I want to be.

I'm not going to comment on the status of MG as a sponsor at this time. Let's see what kind of resolution arrises then I'll decide. If MG is insolvent then that's another matter.

 

Pixsurguy, ok postdating a check and not having the funds at the time of writing is ok. But not having the funds on the date of the check, knowingly, is not legal. And if the story is correct, this occurred three times. Sounds more like an excuse to get more time, doesn't it?
Anyway you look at it, selling the item and keeping the money when it was already paid for by the customer cannot be excused.

 

cthree, PLEASE don't remove this thread.................


just joking, injecting a small bit of smartaleck humor in an otherwise serious thread...................

 

i think the general consensus is that Tim should be paying back spyderfish with whatever assets he has. to those who say that his personal assets have nothing to do with his business, one may ask.. where did the $3500 go?

he made it public business when he publicly stated that he's selling his S2000 for an NSX. come on.. the guy has a S2000 and a 3-series. now he's selling the S2000 to "lower payments"?!?! that money should be going straight to spyderfish. what other debts did he pay off with that $3500 he pocketed.

sympathy is given to those who are truly unfortunate. had he paid off this debt long ago, we'd be expressing sympathy over a divorce. no sympathy here. if i were spyderfish, i would set a final date before i take action with the law. this is completely out of hand. and for cthree to say he has no involvement in this, as a business partner (yes, cthree. your site promotes his business.) cthree should be speaking to Tim about this matter. WE as S2000 owners and as a community find this matter disgustingly long-drawn and without-resolve. for a director to simply say, "i don't want anything to do about this" or "it's not my problem" truly shows the kind of attitude that s2Ki administration takes when it comes to sponsors screwing up.

please, cthree. you are quick to cash a PayPal payment for membership, and yet unwilling to release a sponsor for the sake of protecting that community. who exactly are you looking out for? remember, a sponsor may be there to fund your efforts, but when you're funded by someone who's ripping off a member of the community that you gather money to build... what kind of sense does that make to just sit there and say you're not going to do anything?... bah.

 

I think you are wrong about this. If Tim advertizes on C3's site, that does NOT make them business partners. Is CNET responsible for Enron's collapse, since CNET ran Enron ads on their site? Are you going to sue Newsweek for running Marlboro ads? Accepting ads from a company does not make C3 responsible for their actions, period.

Cthree does have one duty to the community: allow this type of negative information about the sponsors to be posted and archived so that owners will have the proper information to decide whether to do business with MG in the future. I don't think that the original thread should have been deleted and I don't believe that this thread should be deleted, either, even after the problem is (hopefully) resolved.

My 3 cents,
Tanq

 

Don't you think there is enough going on here without you putting words into cthree's mouth. He said he would let the matter resolve itself and then make a decision. Not "it's not my problem",not "i don't want anything to do about this", but rather "I'm not going to comment on the status of MG as a sponsor at this time. Let's see what kind of resolution arises then I'll decide. " And how do you know the administration isn't in touch with Tim? I know that if I was running the site (heaven forbid ) I would press upon the sponsor how important it was to uphold certain standards of conduct. The method of last resort would be to crucify the sponsor in public, because once you do that everyone loses. The site loses any leverage it had over the sponsor in terms of getting the issue resolved. Also, the site loses a sponsor- a sponsor it might have been able to keep otherwise. And the members of the site lose access to the goods that sponsor carried.

I do agree with you on one thing though- cthree (and Tim for that matter) need to consider the effect that this issue has on the community. For every person that has posted on this thread there are probably dozens of viewers who are forming their opinion on MG racing and s2ki. It benefits everyone to resolve this as quickly and as openly as possible.

And as I get ready to post I see that Tanq addressed my other point already. I'm with him on this one. Just because an advertiser pays you for space in your publication it does not make you liable for their actions.

 

Thats pretty shady...

 

perhaps i overreacted, but almost EVERY other time i post a message, MG racing's link is at the top of the page. Owners that are unfamiliar with the situation right now may be going to this link and putting down credit card information. I don't see why his link is up let alone is website if he cannot attend to his business right now.

sorry, but i think this matter is ridiculous. deleting the previous thread was dumb enough; this issue needs to be resolved. i never said the cthree is responsible for Tim's actions. however, this is a forum not a publication like CNET. it serves a community of owners and enthusiasts. why on earth would the site STILL endorse a business that can no longer handle their own finances while being in debt to a customer. cthree should suspend the sponsorship till the matter is resolved. this will give Tim some real incentive to get this done. it's stupid to see an MG Racing link right now; simply a waste of space.

 

Guys, this is unfortunate. I know Tim, he's here in my group. Personally, I have nothing but good things to say about him. He's a great guy. And as a customer of Import Development/MG Racing for over a year, I have had great service from Tim through several orders of a few thousand $$ value. Now this does not at all discount any experiences any of you may have had, nor is that my intent whatsoever. I read all the facts/details as were presented and I really hope this gets resolved to Spyder's satisfaction and quickly. I do not pretend to make excuses for anyone, but being here in ATL I do know firsthand that there is a lot going on (negatively speaking) in Tim's life right now. I hope that he finds balance and takes care of these affairs as soon as possible. I wish both parties the best.