Nope, nope nope... you misunderstood my problem with your analogy. I am not a Ferrari snob, nor am I dismissing the Z06. I am a car guy, not an S2000 guy. I love racing... sitting at the edge of a track at a ProRace smelling an amalgam of high octane fuel, brake dust and burned rubber is my ideal way to spend the day. I know I've had a good day when my face is covered in little specks of rubber.

My point is the Ferrari is all about perfomance & passion as is the Boxster, S2000 and Z06. As a matter of fact, these along with the 3rd Gen RX7 and the 99+ Miata are some of my favorite cars in the world, period.

Here is my point... (I don't know how much more I can contort it to try and make you understand.) It seems you are a bit of a Porsche snob, whereas I am NOT an S2000 snob. I don't prefer the S2000 to the Boxster, I know that they have similarities and differences and each have their own appeal. As do the other cars on that list above.

I don't concern myself with sales figures, or who's shaking in who's boots or any of that. I revel in automobiles and the driving experience. And I would be terrifyingly happy tearing around some twisty roads or at the track wringing out ANY of the above cars. My point is that your staunch defense of the Porsche name and honor and your insistence that Porsche execs aren't worried is blatant proof that you find your car superior to the S2000. That is what I have a problem with... but it's your perogative, so I can't really say anything about that. I just don't want you to think that I am some sort of S2000 snob. ANY car zealot annoys me, whether it's a Yugo zealot or a Ferrari zealot. I am a sports car zealot. Any shape, size or flavor... I love them all. What I really respect is companies like Honda and Mazda that produce cars with passion (S2K, RX7tt, Miata) when they really don't need to do that to make money. The fact that such a large corporation has the balls to do that is my point of pride with the Honda. Does that make more sense?

 

Aha.. you helped me explain it. To a certain extent. I feel that the spartan interior, lack of space and noise are all GOOD things. That makes me like the car because as you read in my last post, I am a racing fan to the core as well as a racer. I never said they are the same car... read that in my last post. But what I am saying is they each have an appeal to certain people. I happen to be someone who understands the appeal of both. You are clinging to the fact that the Porsche badge on your car and the more civilian features like torque, lower redline, more space, dressier interior make the Boxster more suitable for mass appeal. And I am in no way disputing that. What I am saying is the S2000 holds it's own appeal to a certain other type of enthusiast... the rubber-in-his-teeth type of enthusiast. You certainly don't seem to be one of those. And that's not bad or good, it's just a fact. Is this beginning to make sense? There will always be a passionate following for any car, but especially performance cars. Heck, visit F-150online someday... plenty of 'truck' zealots in there! I'm trying to distance myself from being seen as any type of zealot... except a performance zealot! This is a great thread. I don't think I've ever had a more intellectual and sane discussion about different marques without stone-throwing in my entire life - especially online. Kudos to all involved!

 

Hey you two-

That dead horse I was trying to avoid touching?

You two have combined to turn it into dogfood.

This topic has run its course.

Find something new to talk about... like, how's that GEEZ system, Jason?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BoxsterBoy
[B]
As for the S2000's impact on Boxster sales, there has got to be one, but Porsche sells every Boxster they make.

 

LOL Nick... Fred needed some food, and I didn't want to stop by the store on the way home!

Anyway, the GEEZ is great... I'd love to show you some of the screens and features sometime. What do you have going on this weekend?

I was kinda enjoying all that 'passionate' writing in the thread. Sorry if I got out of hand!

 

Jason-

I'm not doing anything yet this weekend. And with Greg out of the way until next week, I can be one up on him (FINALLY!).

You know the Bat phone.

Use it!

 

i don't agree with the statement, the boxster s is faster than the s2000. it's a generalization and from things i've seen in magazines and heard on this very board... the two are very comparable and it's not a e46 m3 v. e46 330ci comparison at all--it's not that obvious. so i don't think anyone can say the boxster s is faster than the s2000. they're both close enough stock to stock that the various factors in a race, street or track, will determine the "winner." it's like the celica gt-s v. integra type-r. up to the driver.

 

I just think it's funny that the one of the so-called 'defenses' of the Boxster or what is called an 'advantage' over the S2000 is the storage space...! Some reason, I just think that's funny...must be that twisted sense of humor I have. My solution to this supposed problem? Just take the 4Runner...!

Yea, we all love eachother's car, let's have some communal group hug, play kissy kissy and go smoke some Boxster ass on the racetrack...

Oh, Nick, you're right...this thread is officially and completely now dogfood...any more belabored ballyhooing and it's going to be Elmer's Glue bottled and ready for some third grader to eat...

DIE DIE DIE!!

And you boys up there in Chitown, it's about 60 now here in FLA/USA...I heard it's a wee-bit nipplish up there right now. Like about 0 without the freaking wind chill!? Yea, nice! But here I am in a giant Twilight Zone OLD FOLKS HOME! We leave for Austin tomorrow...praise God almighty.



BBoy, hang out, you're kind of a punk, but who here isn't...would be cool to meet you some time. I get down to Dallas occasionally, maybe we could have drink...

 

I put 8,000 miles on my s2000. I sold it (now drive an M3). I test drove an S a few weeks ago for schitz and giggles. It rocks. If it were anywhere w/i the price of the honda, I would have a great case of P-car envy.

People here tend to discount styling of the P-car. I dunno. I think it will withstand the test of time and age well, in a way few japanese cars have.

just a couple random thoughts on this random thread.

 

[QUOTE]BoxterBoy:
[B]Porshe is, especially these days, in the business of selling cars. A limited run 5000/year vehicle, no matter how good, isn't going to concern them a whole bunch compared to the mass-markted BMW, MBenz, and Audi competitors. Unless Honda changes its marketing focus, I don't think they see them in their arena as competitors.