S2000 myths debunked
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Why are you racing escalades? the fact you beat a 2.5 ton beast doesnt show our car has torque.
The rest of the things you mentioned are just facts about the car that no one doubts....
And are you saying a 370 is slower than an s2000?
The rest of the things you mentioned are just facts about the car that no one doubts....
And are you saying a 370 is slower than an s2000?
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Originally Posted by patinum,Dec 6 2009, 09:44 AM
1. Relative to most cars, the s2000 has a low amount of torque. 153 lb ft (AP1) and 162 lb ft (AP2) is not really a lot. Torque is a quantifiable value. Just because you beat something with lots of torque in an illegal drag race, that doesn't mean you have more torque. That's like saying if I beat you in a foot race, I'm stronger than you. BTW - what are you doing street racing escalades anyway?
s2krazee is right, the S2000, on track, should be driven as a momentum car. That is to say come into the turns faster and exit faster - don't drop below the powerband (too much). Whereas a 350z (with a similar power to weight ratio) can (intentially or accidentally) come into a turn slowly and use it's low-end torque to pull itself out of the corner).
F1 cars have lots of power and relatively little torque (compared to something like NASCAR) primarily because of the engine size restriction. A 2.4 liter engine will never give you copious amounts of torque. However, if you rev to 19k rpm, then you can get lots of power - which can be very beneficial especially when the weight of the car is kept down. If F1 were allowed to run bigger engines, they would.
I think the OP needs to read up on what hp and torque really are. But to put it as a simple equation, HP = (TQ * RPM)/5252.
2. Who says the S2000 has no traction? If it's the people who complain about oversteer, that is not an effect of poor traction - it's the effect of poor driving.
VSA is a safety net, not a performance enhancer. It doesn't give you more traction, it limits you from reaching the maximum amount of slippage to keep you going past it.
s2krazee is right, the S2000, on track, should be driven as a momentum car. That is to say come into the turns faster and exit faster - don't drop below the powerband (too much). Whereas a 350z (with a similar power to weight ratio) can (intentially or accidentally) come into a turn slowly and use it's low-end torque to pull itself out of the corner).
F1 cars have lots of power and relatively little torque (compared to something like NASCAR) primarily because of the engine size restriction. A 2.4 liter engine will never give you copious amounts of torque. However, if you rev to 19k rpm, then you can get lots of power - which can be very beneficial especially when the weight of the car is kept down. If F1 were allowed to run bigger engines, they would.
I think the OP needs to read up on what hp and torque really are. But to put it as a simple equation, HP = (TQ * RPM)/5252.
2. Who says the S2000 has no traction? If it's the people who complain about oversteer, that is not an effect of poor traction - it's the effect of poor driving.
VSA is a safety net, not a performance enhancer. It doesn't give you more traction, it limits you from reaching the maximum amount of slippage to keep you going past it.
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Originally Posted by patinum,Dec 6 2009, 08:44 AM
s2krazee is right, the S2000, on track, should be driven as a momentum car. That is to say come into the turns faster and exit faster - don't drop below the powerband (too much). Whereas a 350z (with a similar power to weight ratio) can (intentially or accidentally) come into a turn slowly and use it's low-end torque to pull itself out of the corner).
POWER determines torque AT THE DRIVE WHEELS, which is what translates to THRUST, which is what accelerates the car.
A 350Z accelerates no faster than an S2000 because power/weight is similar. They're both "momentum" cars, as far as I'm concerned anything with more than ~10 lb. per hp is.
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Originally Posted by ZDan,Dec 6 2009, 11:46 AM
A 350Z accelerates no faster than an S2000 because power/weight is similar. They're both "momentum" cars, as far as I'm concerned anything with more than ~10 lb. per hp is.
i dont think so.
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Originally Posted by ZDan,Dec 6 2009, 11:46 AM
Totally disagree. First point: Torque is important *ONLY* inasmuch as it allows you to make POWER. Power/weight is what is important, and what determines how quickly you'll be accelerating out of a given speed corner. An S2000 with driver has about the same power/weight as a 287hp 350Z with driver. Driven back to back at the track (I've done this), acceleration is very similar out of low-speed turns.
POWER determines torque AT THE DRIVE WHEELS, which is what translates to THRUST, which is what accelerates the car.
A 350Z accelerates no faster than an S2000 because power/weight is similar. They're both "momentum" cars, as far as I'm concerned anything with more than ~10 lb. per hp is.
POWER determines torque AT THE DRIVE WHEELS, which is what translates to THRUST, which is what accelerates the car.
A 350Z accelerates no faster than an S2000 because power/weight is similar. They're both "momentum" cars, as far as I'm concerned anything with more than ~10 lb. per hp is.
I'm rolling laughing at your claim that the 350Z is a momentum car. That is probably one of the most misinformed claims I have read on a forum in a long time. If you think the 350Z wont pull away from the S2000 on a track (especially out of low speed corners), then you have been around some very shitty Z drivers.
You sound like someone who has tracked your car once or twice... probably at an HPDE with 30 other inept drivers... I'm sure someone there had a 350Z that they couldn't drive worth a damn. Spend some more time at the track with COMPETENT drivers. Make your way up into some of the faster bracketed run groups. Run with some spec miatas durring practice. Run with some heavy GTU cars with loads of torque and see what happens. Come back in a few years after you've got a solid 25 track days under your belt and try to support these same claims.
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Originally Posted by ShiftGearAP1,Dec 6 2009, 11:10 AM
Why are you racing escalades? the fact you beat a 2.5 ton beast doesnt show our car has torque.
The rest of the things you mentioned are just facts about the car that no one doubts....
And are you saying a 370 is slower than an s2000?
The rest of the things you mentioned are just facts about the car that no one doubts....
And are you saying a 370 is slower than an s2000?
ABSOLUTELY, i was saying a 370z is slower than an s2000, hehe
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Originally Posted by mtgear1,Dec 6 2009, 01:31 PM
i concur
