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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Oct 18 2007, 02:59 PM
That works as long as you don't hang the tail out too far.

I got out of autocrossing entirely in the early 80's and didn't get involved again until 2004, so I was out of the scene for over 20 years. The month before we took delivery on the S2000 I decided that I wanted to get my feet wet in something easier to drive before autocrossing the S2000, so I ran my wife's E320. I figured that I was old, and out of practice, and could blame it on the inappropriate car if I drove like an ass, but to my surprise I ended up taking first place in F Stock, beating several regulars in Camaro's and Mustang's. Hahaha, I didn't make a fool out of myself until the next month when I showed up in the S2000.

It's really weird to be pushing 60 and still beating kids a third my age on the autocross courses. When I was a kid I could not have taken a guy my age seriously.
It's like riding bicycles, you may not get on one for many years, but the second you are on it, it all comes back. When you start from a dead stop and you floor it and turn the wheel , there is not enough momentum to throw the S too far sideways because the forward motion and aiming the steering wheel will keep you going out of a spin. I have tried this many times and as long as you are on the gas hard it will come out fine. Like I said It's scary but you got to have practice. Believe me it's a lot of fun!


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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 07:39 AM
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Yup, did the same thing one night/morning on my way home. Lifted as I was turning and goodbye. Befor eI knew it the car pulled a 180. Thank God I was the only driver out. It wasnt my first manual car but my first RWD...with power (87 Dodge Ram 50 RWD truck doesnt count).

OHYEA...on ramps too...watch out for those!
Make sure you have good tires and are filled properly. AIR MATTERS!
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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man, i'm just curious, but how fast are you people driving when you lift off the throttle and lose the rear? like 70mph on a tight curve with no bank?
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by zeiss,Oct 18 2007, 03:07 PM
Look guys, lighten up on this poster. I've driven sports cars for 48 years, and find that the Honda can be a handful, so imagine what it is like for an inexperienced driver. Yes, the car is dangerous, just as a Formula One racer is dangerous. It is not for everyone. There are cars that are just as likely to spin out as the Honda, but they give more warning, and there are others that are more forgiving. A demanding car is a dangerous car for the average driver. I'm just glad that the poster got a valuable lesson in driving at no cost to himself or others, and that is a good thing.

Anyway, I don't take offense at the characterization of the Honda as a dangerous car. Hey, that means that we are really macho! :-)

Zeiss

Well said, zeiss, very well said.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 09:13 AM
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always ready to countersteer. that's the only survivor method for this car from my experience.

expect when it might lose control.

but i agree, tires are a lot of the rear coming lose. also, you don't ever lift or shift mid curve.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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[QUOTE=boofer,Oct 19 2007, 08:20 AM] man, i'm just curious, but how fast are you people driving when you lift off the throttle and lose the rear?
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by boofer,Oct 19 2007, 11:20 AM
man, i'm just curious, but how fast are you people driving when you lift off the throttle and lose the rear? like 70mph on a tight curve with no bank?
They are going fast enough for the tail to start to slide BEFORE they lift. Car starts to slide, inexperienced driver freaks out and releases the throttle completely, makes situation worse.

LOL, if you have to think or remember to countersteer, it's too late.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 11:01 AM
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I lift and shift mid turn. No big deal as long as you're smooth and don't unbalance the car in the process.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAMI S-2000,Oct 19 2007, 01:47 PM
You only need to make a turn at 20 or 25 miles an hour, if you are not on the gas it will turn sideways on you. Like I said it requires practice to keep it under control.
Only if you turn-in very quickly.

Slow hands are quicker.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Oct 19 2007, 11:03 AM
Only if you turn-in very quickly.

Slow hands are quicker.
I'm talking about a right hand turn in an intersection, not a sweeping turn in a curve.


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