Me too. If you turn in smoothly the car doesn't step the tail out easily, but if you use are abrupt you can unbalance it with a quick steering input and the tail will step out (without any throttle). Slow hands are faster, whether it's pulling away from a stop sign and turning 90-degrees or flying around a 100MPH++ sweeper. Any way you cut it though, if you push hard enough, the tail is (normally) going to slide first, even if you're not accelerating.

 

I think you are saying the opposite. My point is you need to accelerate in order to keep the tail under control. It will always slide, but you can keep it from spinning out of control.

 

Unfortunately for me I learned about the rear end coming loose at my first track day. Even though no damage was done to the S it was a scary experience. Weeks prior to the event I was told that my low tread S0-2's would be fine on the track by a member on here. After reading many posts about these tires (and about tires in general) regarding how important they are for this car's stability, I know I was given some poor advice.

 

Damaging the car is the hard way to learn. You leanred the smart way; On the track.

Spins are a lot less scary at autocross speeds.

 

I guess I'm having trouble understanding, perhaps because when you say you need to accelerate to keep the tail under control, I think of the way you drive the old 911 RWD Porsche's. The only way to keep the tail tucked in is to hammer the throttle, and the harder you accelerate the more grip you get out of the back tires. If you use the same lead-footed technique in an S2000 in the lower gears the back tires will spin and you'll get massive oversteer. Too much throttle is often worse than too little. If you get off the gas suddenly, or get on it suddenly, when cornering near the limit, the car can be easily unbalanced and wag the tail. When starting off and turning at the same time, the harder you are accelerating, the more likely it is that the tail will come out, and that's why I'm having trouble understanding your point. You seem to be saying the opposite. What I'm saying is that at low speeds you don't need to transfer weight to the rear tires to keep them tucked in, and trying to accelerate harder will NOT help keep the back end under control. You seem to be saying the opposite, and if so, I totally disagree.

In short, you DO NOT NEED TO ACCELERATE TO KEEP THE TAIL UNDER CONTROL (the exact opposite of what you seem to be saying), especially on the kind of slow turns you're talking about. Too little acceleration will not make the car spin, but too much will. I think we must be miscommunicating, becuase I don't think you're really suggesting that this car needs to be driven like a 911. I'm just not understanding something.

 

I dunno, I enjoy cranking the wheel all the way to the left (say, making a left-hand 90* turn from a stop) and then gassing it relatively hard, and rarely do I get the tail to step out. This is in an AP1, all stock save for the tires, which were RE-050s and are now Yoko ES100s. The surest way to kick the tail out is to suddenly change the rate of acceleration of the car in a high-speed turn, either by lifting or by hitting VTEC; I've done both numerous times (on purpose) and have never spun, and haven't experienced much that a quick squirt of gas and VERY slight countersteer wouldn't catch. And I'm no super-star driver, just a VERY occasional autocrosser (not in the S).

 

So you cant roll through a turn in neutral going about 20mph?

I mean how easy is it to break loose if you do not gas through a turn

 

This is my experience as well, maybe I like the noise and the power when doing this. It is a small way of drifting I guess. Whenever I can , I like to take 90* turns agressively, it's fun for me.

 

you need power and speed to spin or step out the tail. 20mph at a right hand corner will do nothing(out of gear, why?). Come in at 20mph and have the motor at 6000+ rpm and hit the gas. That will "wag the tail" or Go in at 30mph+ with high rpm and lift off the gas. It will go. I have never try that in the S at 30mph. You might have go a bit faster. I learn to steer with the gas pedal in my 930 years ago at DE. Rear motor advantage is the grip or end up in the ditch.

 

i am a young driver but am not stupid while driving if you understand basic physics your good. also not being a jack ass helps. my first car was way faster than my s although it was an ff setup k20a ek 12.8sec in the quarter all motor. but the s is way more fun to drive but in a straight line i would take my hatch any day