no prob, buddy. we NFRers need to stick together, anyway. all i see around here are silver, black, yellow, and...silvers.

 

I consider that to be a good thing.

 

Hahaha, that's my trick for keeping the back end tucked in when autocrossing. As I approach the apex I start saying to myself (out loud), "Wait for it. Wait for it." It helps me hold off on the throttle application until I actually start unwinding the steering (and since I like to slide the car around so much I have to talk to myself to keep my aggressive tendencies under control).

I guess the TC eleminates the possibility of getting on the gas a little too soon?

 

oh, i do too! i've probably seen a couple dozen S2000s in/around DC (since i started really looking for them) and i actually haven't seen a red one yet, other than my own. probably 70% silver, 20% black, 10% yellow.

never thought i'd like a red car, but....red sports car = niiiiace.

 

Owning a miata(Or having other RWD experience) before getting an S2000 should be a requirement =D

 

I slide my car around quite a bit (rear S02's last me from 3,000 to 5,000 miles), and I think CKit also likes to power around tight turns with the tail out. The people who are saying that the car lacks the power to slide the tail out easily are full of it, and they guys who say the car is easy to control when sliding are either world class drivers, or smack talkers. Under the right conditions all it takes is a sharp jab at the throttle to get the tail out, and the limited steering lock imposes a hard limit on how far you can toss the tail without exceeding the point of no return. It *does* get easy to slide the car around in a controlled manner, WITH PRACTICE, but anyone who thinks this car has forgiving handling is going to end up doing the same kind of thing you did, because they've yet to realize how unforgiving the car can be at times.

Harder all season radials (with proper stagger) do make the car more forgiving, at the expense of total grip. When I purchased my car the previous owner had installed Toyo all season tires, and the things would howl like crazy, long before letting go, so the howling gave PLENTY of warning. However, I think the lower grip limit actually made the car more dangerous, because it was all too easy to overpower the back tires. Less aggressive tires give more warning, but I'm just not sure that it's a good tradeoff. If you turn in hard enough, and then feed in too much throttle, the tail will come out no matter what tires you have on the car.

 

all cars are dangerous

learn them before you go crazy..

i guess some people underestimate our cars.. thinking they can drive it like no one can...

then all of a sudden they go out of control... then all you can hear is oh shit i fawk up...

 

Almost without exception all car accidents are down to 1 thing.
The driver not driving appropriately for the conditions.

I don't see too many posts on S2KI saying "My driving skills are not up to snuff" but for some reasons there are lots on "The S is scary/ dangerous" etc.

 

But we are boosted....

I purposely let the SC vent (to run ~NA) when I ran the Dragon in the rain. I was on fresh S02s and the car didn't have a problem at all. I was even 4.57 geared at the time.

This past week, also on fresh S02s, the rear was sliding all over the place when I pushed it on 7psi.

I love the confidence of the Racelogic in the wet. I can accelerate past Hyundai Accents without having to worry that a little jab of the tightened throttle cable will send me off into the weeds.

On second thought, Red... the Racelogic might actually be useful auto-Xing. You could push it to the limits of traction without risking a time-eating bobble.

About tail sliding... the guy behind me on the last group drive commented that my car looked like something out of a Road Runner cartoon: the rear tires would spin around the turn (much faster than the fronts) then "beep beep..." GONE.

I'm actually thinking about practicing drifting in the rain with the new "Training wheels" set to 25% slip. On closed tracks and asphalt. Not on the regular street.

 

Yea, I had a similar situation when I first got the S, down shiftin while turing + bald tires = Hasn't happened again since