s2000 spin out
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Originally Posted by dammitjim,Oct 14 2010, 06:07 PM
citation needed
Seriously, wtf are you talking about. Muscle cars sat on fat grippy tires? Troll post smells like troll.
Seriously, wtf are you talking about. Muscle cars sat on fat grippy tires? Troll post smells like troll.
Muscle cars are associated with straight line speed, drag strips, etc. Any car set up for this type of thing featured wider tires and had the same issues with "snap oversteer" as an S2000 did. Granted, it generally wasn't as bad because of other factors that worked against this (softer suspension, higher ride heights, etc.). Seriously, "snap oversteer" is not something that only happens in an S2000. My dad's owned countless 60's Corvettes (along with many other muscle cars) and he laughed at the idea of the S2000 stepping out quick. He told me I didn't know what snap was. It occurs for a variety of reasons (wide tires, an effort to get a "responsive" car, a natural tendency for oversteer due to the suspension set up) and there are far worse examples of it than the S2000. Judging from the reviews and videos I've seen, the ZR1 features a really fine line between fast and spun. The Z4 M is supposed to behave similarly. Really, any car that's described as difficult to drive at the limit but still features great lap times when driven by a great driver is probably going to behave this way. It's a feature of RWD cars that is amplified by how the car's set up.
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Originally Posted by dammitjim,Oct 14 2010, 02:07 PM
Troll post smells like troll.
I hate idiots (including wraithfag/five) who use terms they often don't understand their meanings.
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Originally Posted by st4rk,Oct 14 2010, 01:37 PM
Like the faster rx7.
The Boxster and RX8 are some examples of RWD cars that are less "tail-happy"; other heavier examples include Supra, M3, etc. Hell, even the NSX was more planted in the rear than S2000.
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Originally Posted by hariku821,Oct 13 2010, 09:08 PM
Seriously? FWD and RWD are two different worlds.
You should know that controlling a RWD car vs a fwd car is a totally different story and if not you should have at least looked it up, especially before making this post.
Were your tires bald? Were you going to fast? If these do not apply your just an idiot.
You should know that controlling a RWD car vs a fwd car is a totally different story and if not you should have at least looked it up, especially before making this post.
Were your tires bald? Were you going to fast? If these do not apply your just an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Slithr,Oct 14 2010, 09:45 AM
Have no idea of the troll status of the original poster, but it sounds like he had the choice of staying on the brakes or hitting someone. He chose to stay on the brakes. Apparently he was surprised by the fact that the car rotated. So either he hasn't driven a car (FWD or RWD) that close to the edge before or the handling characteristics of the s2k caught him out. Counter steering may have saved him or he may have just run out of room. Stuff happens.
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Originally Posted by al4t1gbundy,Oct 14 2010, 09:56 AM
Hey sorry to cut you off OP, but I had to get over to the right lane. My exit was coming up and you were in the middle of not going fast enough and going too fast for me to pass safely.
Next time please stop thumping that raver music too. It kills the trees.
Next time please stop thumping that raver music too. It kills the trees.
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Originally Posted by tarheel91,Oct 14 2010, 04:38 PM
A fat tire = a wider contact patch that's less long. Without going too in depth, it allows for more total grip vs. a skinnier tire of a similar compound (because of a more uniform distribution of force over the contact patch) but less warning as to when you've reached the limit. It has to do with slip angles and the way a fat tire reaches maximum lateral acceleration vs. a skinny tire, but it's hard to explain in a few paragraphs.
Muscle cars are associated with straight line speed, drag strips, etc. Any car set up for this type of thing featured wider tires and had the same issues with "snap oversteer" as an S2000 did. Granted, it generally wasn't as bad because of other factors that worked against this (softer suspension, higher ride heights, etc.). Seriously, "snap oversteer" is not something that only happens in an S2000. My dad's owned countless 60's Corvettes (along with many other muscle cars) and he laughed at the idea of the S2000 stepping out quick. He told me I didn't know what snap was. It occurs for a variety of reasons (wide tires, an effort to get a "responsive" car, a natural tendency for oversteer due to the suspension set up) and there are far worse examples of it than the S2000. Judging from the reviews and videos I've seen, the ZR1 features a really fine line between fast and spun. The Z4 M is supposed to behave similarly. Really, any car that's described as difficult to drive at the limit but still features great lap times when driven by a great driver is probably going to behave this way. It's a feature of RWD cars that is amplified by how the car's set up.
Muscle cars are associated with straight line speed, drag strips, etc. Any car set up for this type of thing featured wider tires and had the same issues with "snap oversteer" as an S2000 did. Granted, it generally wasn't as bad because of other factors that worked against this (softer suspension, higher ride heights, etc.). Seriously, "snap oversteer" is not something that only happens in an S2000. My dad's owned countless 60's Corvettes (along with many other muscle cars) and he laughed at the idea of the S2000 stepping out quick. He told me I didn't know what snap was. It occurs for a variety of reasons (wide tires, an effort to get a "responsive" car, a natural tendency for oversteer due to the suspension set up) and there are far worse examples of it than the S2000. Judging from the reviews and videos I've seen, the ZR1 features a really fine line between fast and spun. The Z4 M is supposed to behave similarly. Really, any car that's described as difficult to drive at the limit but still features great lap times when driven by a great driver is probably going to behave this way. It's a feature of RWD cars that is amplified by how the car's set up.
