S2000 Steering Feel
I agree the steering feels numb, especially on the track.
As a fellow member mentioned previously, I have to read the car based on feedback given to me via other means (e.g. seat).
Even the steering feedback from a Mazda 3 is superior to that of the s2k on the track. Although, this maybe because I have driven the Mazda 3 for years.
As a fellow member mentioned previously, I have to read the car based on feedback given to me via other means (e.g. seat).
Even the steering feedback from a Mazda 3 is superior to that of the s2k on the track. Although, this maybe because I have driven the Mazda 3 for years.
A lot of steering feel could be attributed to the actual geometry of the car. More caster generally makes the steering feel "heavier" but less responsive overall. It does make it easier to feel the limit of the tires with increased caster though (to a point). The wheel should get harder to turn as you turn it, as long as there is good traction. Once the grip of the tires has been exceeded, the wheel goes "limp" and produces less resistance to turn the wheel.
This is from my experience in Formula SAE and go karting though... where we lack power steering. I'm temped to take the power steering out of the car and just give it a try to see if the power steering is truly the cause of the lack of feel some people my experience, or if it is the actual geometry of the suspension.
This is from my experience in Formula SAE and go karting though... where we lack power steering. I'm temped to take the power steering out of the car and just give it a try to see if the power steering is truly the cause of the lack of feel some people my experience, or if it is the actual geometry of the suspension.
I tried removing the EPS fuse but to me, it just made the steering really heavy without adding much to the confidence and connected feel. In fact, you end up muscling the steering so much that it was less enjoyable.
My Accord provides more feedback about road feel and available grip than my S2000. Of course the S2000 is way more responsive, accurate, and the grip levels are WAY higher. But as the OP said, you learn to drive from chassis motion and yaw rather than steering feel.
I actually don't think the lack of steering feedback actually makes driving the S less enjoyable. I mean it's precise and that's what I need. If you want real steering feel get a motorcycle and learn to drop a knee. I think the S2000 steering has better feedback than when my FD was on square 265s, doesn't make the S2000 faster.
+1 for the 7th gen Accord steering feel. I take on-ramps at least 20% faster in my Accord because I'm so paranoid with the S and can't get accurate feedback until it's on the edge. I need to track it next year!
Porsche and Lotus steering wheel feedback is far superior. I don't know if it's all the bushings and the geometry, but I also feel more of the road and chassis through the seat and pedals than my hands in this car.
I couldn't agree more. The EPS must dampen all the feedback, it feels numb and muted. I went straight from my 2nd S2000 to a Cayman S, and experienced a dramatic improvement in steering feel....but they also experience power steering pump failures when tracked, so I guess you can't have everything. I do feel more feedback running a square (255x4) setup, but it's still nowhere near the levels of my former Cayman S or current M3.

Everyone's made good points against the EPS system so far. However, I think what it lacks in general feedback, it makes up in lightness and responsiveness. The only hard driving I do is on auto-x courses - even then I don't have very much experience - but I've never felt the S was severely lacking in feedback.
- James




