S2000 Steering Feel
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Originally Posted by CKit' timestamp='1325046386' post='21267464
Porsche and Lotus steering wheel feedback is far superior. I don't know if it's all the bushings and the geometry, but I also feel more of the road and chassis through the seat and pedals than my hands in this car.
Everyone's made good points against the EPS system so far. However, I think what it lacks in general feedback, it makes up in lightness and responsiveness. The only hard driving I do is on auto-x courses - even then I don't have very much experience - but I've never felt the S was severely lacking in feedback.
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Originally Posted by thomsbrain' timestamp='1324680465' post='21260224
My Accord provides more feedback about road feel and available grip than my S2000. Of course the S2000 is way more responsive, accurate, and the grip levels are WAY higher. But as the OP said, you learn to drive from chassis motion and yaw rather than steering feel.
The only thing i feel out of the accord when trying to take an on-ramp at a decent pace is the narrow front tires scrubbing for grip while the front heavy car does nothing accept want to understeer. I even have the TL-S rear sway bar to help induce a little more oversteer...
The s2k on the other hand is nothing but bliss when taking on-ramps at the same same speed and then some. Feels much more direct and connected then the Accord's steering. I dont have experience here, but i'd bet i would feel the s2k's tire feedback just as much as the accord's, if the speeds were increased by 30% or so.
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Originally Posted by blasphemy101' timestamp='1325172219' post='21270942
[quote name='CKit' timestamp='1325046386' post='21267464']
Porsche and Lotus steering wheel feedback is far superior. I don't know if it's all the bushings and the geometry, but I also feel more of the road and chassis through the seat and pedals than my hands in this car.
Porsche and Lotus steering wheel feedback is far superior. I don't know if it's all the bushings and the geometry, but I also feel more of the road and chassis through the seat and pedals than my hands in this car.
Everyone's made good points against the EPS system so far. However, I think what it lacks in general feedback, it makes up in lightness and responsiveness. The only hard driving I do is on auto-x courses - even then I don't have very much experience - but I've never felt the S was severely lacking in feedback.
- James
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I agree. I guess I should summarize a bit more by emphasizing it's important to not confuse steering feel with the overall feedback you receive from the car
Doesn't the NSX have EPS? How does it compare to the S2000?
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Originally Posted by ChrisHS2000' timestamp='1324782452' post='21262164
[quote name='thomsbrain' timestamp='1324680465' post='21260224']
My Accord provides more feedback about road feel and available grip than my S2000. Of course the S2000 is way more responsive, accurate, and the grip levels are WAY higher. But as the OP said, you learn to drive from chassis motion and yaw rather than steering feel.
My Accord provides more feedback about road feel and available grip than my S2000. Of course the S2000 is way more responsive, accurate, and the grip levels are WAY higher. But as the OP said, you learn to drive from chassis motion and yaw rather than steering feel.
The only thing i feel out of the accord when trying to take an on-ramp at a decent pace is the narrow front tires scrubbing for grip while the front heavy car does nothing accept want to understeer. I even have the TL-S rear sway bar to help induce a little more oversteer...
The s2k on the other hand is nothing but bliss when taking on-ramps at the same same speed and then some. Feels much more direct and connected then the Accord's steering. I dont have experience here, but i'd bet i would feel the s2k's tire feedback just as much as the accord's, if the speeds were increased by 30% or so.
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ditto
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Originally Posted by Slick 87' timestamp='1325266153' post='21274003
[quote name='ChrisHS2000' timestamp='1324782452' post='21262164']
[quote name='thomsbrain' timestamp='1324680465' post='21260224']
My Accord provides more feedback about road feel and available grip than my S2000. Of course the S2000 is way more responsive, accurate, and the grip levels are WAY higher. But as the OP said, you learn to drive from chassis motion and yaw rather than steering feel.
[quote name='thomsbrain' timestamp='1324680465' post='21260224']
My Accord provides more feedback about road feel and available grip than my S2000. Of course the S2000 is way more responsive, accurate, and the grip levels are WAY higher. But as the OP said, you learn to drive from chassis motion and yaw rather than steering feel.
The only thing i feel out of the accord when trying to take an on-ramp at a decent pace is the narrow front tires scrubbing for grip while the front heavy car does nothing accept want to understeer. I even have the TL-S rear sway bar to help induce a little more oversteer...
The s2k on the other hand is nothing but bliss when taking on-ramps at the same same speed and then some. Feels much more direct and connected then the Accord's steering. I dont have experience here, but i'd bet i would feel the s2k's tire feedback just as much as the accord's, if the speeds were increased by 30% or so.
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ditto
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Ditto +1
I own Gen 7 and Gen 8 Accords. The steering feel is nowhere near my S2000. Accords push and have a light overcenter FWD feel. Even stock S2000's have much more direct and linear feel, upgrade the suspension and it gets even better.
No car with EPS is going to have the feedback you feel from a non-powerassisted rack. But I don't miss the wheel tugging over highway ripples, pottholes, botts dots etc. The S2000 steering has nicely weighted feedback, plus the benefits below.
EPS systems have an advantage in fuel efficiency because there is no belt-driven hydraulic pump constantly running, whether assistance is required or not, and this is a major reason for their introduction. Another major advantage is the elimination of a belt-driven engine accessory, and several high-pressure hydraulic hoses between the hydraulic pump, mounted on the engine, and the steering gear, mounted on the chassis. This greatly simplifies manufacturing and maintenance. By incorporating electronic stability control electric power steering systems can instantly vary torque assist levels to aid the driver in corrective maneuvers.
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After driving my '02 Altima for 3 weeks and over 1400 miles over the holidays, I pulled the S out to give her a wash for this weekend's meet. I then realized how heavy the steering was on the S. I love it. Steering feels great to me. 