He was stating facts from the point of view of "first person, singular" (ie, his own experience) based on his own AWD cars and his own S2000. You were making a blanket statement regarding AWD and drivers in general. His was an optimal case based on vehicles, which had unknown equipment and tires.

 

If you ever see me in a Lincoln Town Car, take my driver's license away (referencing my previous post). However, it does cause me to wonder about VSA in the MY06. I never even thought about this in my GSR--I know, FWD, and my +1 tells me I'm overreacting Always appreciate the common sense feedback from XViper.

 

[QUOTE=xviper,Oct 7 2005, 10:59 AM]He was stating facts from the point of view of "first person, singular" (ie, his own experience) based on his own AWD cars and his own S2000.

 

DrCloud, I think that your "learn to drive" quote is a little arrogant. I am a fair driver, attended a number of driving schools, tracked a few times, do afairly well at autocross, etc. Even so, I have unexpectedly lost the back end of my S2000 in the rain. Blame it on tires, blame it on the car...whatever. It is a real characteristic of the car. It's back end is twitchy even in the dry. It's just the nature of the car. Learning the car's traits makes it a blast to drive when dry, but when conditions are wet (especially in heavy rain) the car should be driven cautiously.

 

He's just in a bitchy mood.

What is funny here is most people will get out in the rain, do something stupid, spin the car and never fess up to it because they don't want anyone else to know they are not the "world class" driver they think they are. Common sense will solve most of the problems but the S will bite you even if you were just going strait ahead at 30 mph@ 2500 rpms. It has a light rearend and we all know these are summer tires not the best in rain.

"Well hell I drove my s 140 in the rain on a mountain road and never had a problem!."

 

Please don't mistake "wrath" with my peculiar sense of "giving you a bit of a jab in the side". I give "jabs" even to my friends and co-workers (you should see the way we poke at each other). "Wrath" is reserved for schmucks. I was giving you a "jab".

BTW, I asked to have my "mod" status removed. I was feeling too much like a babysitter. Besides, a "mod" has restrictions on the number of "jabs" they can give.

 

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Damn! My self imposed "jab" limit for the hour has been reached. Nevermind.

 

I actually tried S02 and S03. S03 are much better in rain condition. I agree. S02 is some hardcore performance tire for dry condition. It is what it is, if people driving on their S02 under wet condition, just slow down then.

Oh yet, not enough thread just compound the problem, so be smart or get to know the trees "intimately" .

 

First, the OEM tires are semi-performance tires, and are not "all weather" tires. In the rain, drive conservatively to compensate for them.

Second, the OEM tires, while giving great dry weather performance, do have a short tread life. When the tread starts thinning, the performance on wet roads gets worse.

If the manner in which you use your s2k requires you to drive in rain at times (as mine does), consider a different tire. You may loose a few g's on the skid pad, but the s2k will then perform fine in the rain. I chose Falkin FK 451 tires, and there are other non-OEM choices that will do better than OEM in the rain. And after a little while, you will learn to compensate in your dry weather driving style, and you might not loose as many g's as you think.

 

Here ya go boys and girls:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?ma...ance+TripleTred
Your ultimate all season tire. Good in dry, really, really good in rain, OK in snow. You won't get the "non-OEM" sizing of 245 for the rear like you should be then, why should you care? Your rain performance will be AWD or SUV spectacular.
Please note:
You'll probably hate your dry handling and the guys at the track will laugh at you.
You'll be able to "dance with the rain devil by the pale moon light" and keep up with SUVs and soccer moms.
You'll most likely still cuss and swear that you didn't buy real snow tires.
What do ya want? Miracles?