S2k tested in New Road & Track
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[quote=Richard Paul' date='Feb 7 2005, 06:46 PM]
The Vette has one of the most sophisticated suspensions in the world, bar non. Go look at one. They have very expensive forged aluminum wishbones, links and uprights. They use electronically adjustable shocks. The leaf springs probably cost GM 20 times what coils would. The brake, tires and wheels are very high end parts.
Now "push rods", They run pushrods in NASCAR in 357" engines that make 850 HP at 10,000 RPM. Can you do that? On top of that they live for 600 miles with WOT full load. DON'T KNOCK PUSHRODS. Oh yeh they do it wit a four barrel carb and a distributor. What if they let them run EFI and electronic managment?
How about the rest? All aluminum including the sump. Composite tuned inlet, coil on plug ign, roller cam and a transaxel.
The Z06 with the ZL-1 engine is a 427" small block with 500 HP. featuring Titanium rods and retainers. Pushed in liners and a slew of hi tech parts.
Now your going to tell me I read to many magazines and GM bought me. To tell the truth I'm a Ferrari man, I've owned 8. But I've also owned 6 Corvettes (3 were for my wife) I've also owned everything else you can think of, I'm a car guy.
There is a reason for all cars. That is as long as they are enthusist cars. The four door rent a cars are just tools. I'll make one more confession, I had a Porche 928 that I bought new and after 9000 miles I put a Latham blown Chevy in it. Then it was a nice car.
Don't believe it? It was in several magazines. Best engine swap I ever did. I actually drove it as a driver for 40,000 miles. There were several articles on it one with the original engine (unblown) then with the smaller but blown engine.
pics of cars?
The Vette has one of the most sophisticated suspensions in the world, bar non. Go look at one. They have very expensive forged aluminum wishbones, links and uprights. They use electronically adjustable shocks. The leaf springs probably cost GM 20 times what coils would. The brake, tires and wheels are very high end parts.
Now "push rods", They run pushrods in NASCAR in 357" engines that make 850 HP at 10,000 RPM. Can you do that? On top of that they live for 600 miles with WOT full load. DON'T KNOCK PUSHRODS. Oh yeh they do it wit a four barrel carb and a distributor. What if they let them run EFI and electronic managment?
How about the rest? All aluminum including the sump. Composite tuned inlet, coil on plug ign, roller cam and a transaxel.
The Z06 with the ZL-1 engine is a 427" small block with 500 HP. featuring Titanium rods and retainers. Pushed in liners and a slew of hi tech parts.
Now your going to tell me I read to many magazines and GM bought me. To tell the truth I'm a Ferrari man, I've owned 8. But I've also owned 6 Corvettes (3 were for my wife) I've also owned everything else you can think of, I'm a car guy.
There is a reason for all cars. That is as long as they are enthusist cars. The four door rent a cars are just tools. I'll make one more confession, I had a Porche 928 that I bought new and after 9000 miles I put a Latham blown Chevy in it. Then it was a nice car.
Don't believe it? It was in several magazines. Best engine swap I ever did. I actually drove it as a driver for 40,000 miles. There were several articles on it one with the original engine (unblown) then with the smaller but blown engine.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul' date='Feb 7 2005, 07:52 PM
How did Honda do in NASCAR? Or off shore racing? Or Sprint car racing?
funny
Originally Posted by Richard Paul' date='Feb 7 2005, 07:06 PM
We know who is the top of the line and it starts with a F.
um, except for the part where it costs almost $200k
For us mere mortals, "settling" for Honda finishing in 2nd place (even a distant 2nd) and distilling even a little of that technology down into a fun, affordable, reliable, and beautiful roadster is the best we can do.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul' date='Feb 8 2005, 12:03 AM
Fact being I was at the last F1 race to be run in the US with turbos and Senna. That was at the old Detroit course.
Misinformation????
Misinformation????
Yes. That's some misinformation right there. The last F1 race in the U.S. prior to F1 coming back the the U.S. to run at Indy was in Phoenix. This was when Jean Alesi was a young man in a Tyrell. So you are misinformed.
I admire and respect your collection of cars and your years of auto enthusiasm. Anyone who has owned 8 Ferraris is either very rich, very indecisive, or very flaky.
Having said that, I am a big Ferrari fan too. I attend some Ferrari Club events from time to time. There are two kinds of people there. Those who REALLY really know the marque ... and those who let you know how much money they have. Since you've mentioned your fleet for Ferraris in an effort to back up the validity of your responses, I'll put you in the latter group.
I have no opinion of the C6 Corvette. I'm sure it's fast. I'm sure it's fun to drive. I've never been a Corvette guy --- but I've also never driven one.
I could name all of the cars I've owned and I can tell you how much money I have ... but I don't think it'll bolster my position. Even the rich can be dead wrong.
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I'm a big fan of F1 and high tech engines, but I think some of you are missing Richard Paul's point...namely that pushrods have been engineered to the point of high efficiency and excellent power output. I see nothing wrong with his statements.
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Another strange tidbit from the article - R&T did a test by mounting an accerometer on the dash then driving the cars over a bump in the road. The S2000 showed the LEAST amount of g-foces in the test, both in steady state driving and the bump itself.
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Ahh, you missed one thing, I said "TURBO" F1 race.
Sorry you took my intention wrong. How many Ferrari owners have built their own Ferrari engines. Run them on their own dyno?
Sorry to ruin your stereotyping.
How can I go negative on someone who has Enzo as an avitar.
The one thing you may have missed is that I am quite old, allowing me alot of time to do all this collecting. I bought my first Ferrari with the first real money I ever made. That was 1968. It was a 1966 275 GTB/6c. I still own it.
In the intum there have been all the others but that one is IHO the best looking car ever to be built.
Yet I respect all cars that offer something. It is my belief tha Subru has more technology to offer than alot of cars much more expensive, It is just that they are ugly. If they ever got a good designer in there, look out. Maybe they should look in Italy.
You mention going to Ferrai owners meetings. I haven't been to one since 1973.
But Ferrari have soul, I don't know where in the car they hide it but it's there. I've had my 275 apart everywhere exept taking the body off and I never could find it. In fact IHO all Italian car above Fiat have soul. I remember as a young man who hated anything except a V8 getting to drive an Alpha Romeo GTV up to the dry lakes one time. I fell in love with that thing, out in the desert on the kind of roads it was built for I was shown a whole new world. That would carry me through my life.
That car belonged to my then father in law. I only drove it as a last resort since time didn't allow me to go with my crew and they had my truck. Then he traded it in without telling me. Damn I wanted to buy that car. But I went and got a 427 Vett instead and that started the string of Vetts. Life could have been different if that man had not traded in the Alpha.
Point being I love being connected to the car around me. Most cars don't do this because the feeling of luxury has been defined as Unconnected. Feel nothing and your driving a Lincoln. To most that is the goal.
The S2000 is an exception as is the Rx8. The Japanese have got it down. No one can argue with the value for $$. Just as you can't argue with the value of the C6. To my jaded mind that is the point after which you get less return for the buck. Some would put it with the Honda but like I said "jaded". The Vett comes within fractions of the Ferrari numbers in all areas. Why would I, if I could buy the 575 'ello, soul. That's alot of scratch, say five times the price for "soul" but as I said "if I could".
At the moment I probably can't, so I'd buy the vett. However since I am going to build parts for the S2k I will be buying one of those. GM and Fiat, sorry none of my bucks soon. They've done alright by me so far. They wouldn't be going tits up.
Am I off the hook now? Or do I have to wait until I get my Honda?
Sorry you took my intention wrong. How many Ferrari owners have built their own Ferrari engines. Run them on their own dyno?
Sorry to ruin your stereotyping.
How can I go negative on someone who has Enzo as an avitar.
The one thing you may have missed is that I am quite old, allowing me alot of time to do all this collecting. I bought my first Ferrari with the first real money I ever made. That was 1968. It was a 1966 275 GTB/6c. I still own it.
In the intum there have been all the others but that one is IHO the best looking car ever to be built.
Yet I respect all cars that offer something. It is my belief tha Subru has more technology to offer than alot of cars much more expensive, It is just that they are ugly. If they ever got a good designer in there, look out. Maybe they should look in Italy.
You mention going to Ferrai owners meetings. I haven't been to one since 1973.
But Ferrari have soul, I don't know where in the car they hide it but it's there. I've had my 275 apart everywhere exept taking the body off and I never could find it. In fact IHO all Italian car above Fiat have soul. I remember as a young man who hated anything except a V8 getting to drive an Alpha Romeo GTV up to the dry lakes one time. I fell in love with that thing, out in the desert on the kind of roads it was built for I was shown a whole new world. That would carry me through my life.
That car belonged to my then father in law. I only drove it as a last resort since time didn't allow me to go with my crew and they had my truck. Then he traded it in without telling me. Damn I wanted to buy that car. But I went and got a 427 Vett instead and that started the string of Vetts. Life could have been different if that man had not traded in the Alpha.
Point being I love being connected to the car around me. Most cars don't do this because the feeling of luxury has been defined as Unconnected. Feel nothing and your driving a Lincoln. To most that is the goal.
The S2000 is an exception as is the Rx8. The Japanese have got it down. No one can argue with the value for $$. Just as you can't argue with the value of the C6. To my jaded mind that is the point after which you get less return for the buck. Some would put it with the Honda but like I said "jaded". The Vett comes within fractions of the Ferrari numbers in all areas. Why would I, if I could buy the 575 'ello, soul. That's alot of scratch, say five times the price for "soul" but as I said "if I could".
At the moment I probably can't, so I'd buy the vett. However since I am going to build parts for the S2k I will be buying one of those. GM and Fiat, sorry none of my bucks soon. They've done alright by me so far. They wouldn't be going tits up.
Am I off the hook now? Or do I have to wait until I get my Honda?
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Who's braggin? I said "interesting," not "cool".
Considering how stiff the car is, how is it even possible to show the least g-forces, eh? The Z4, with it's supposedly cushier and more comfortable ride (in which it is more Caddy-like than the S200) showed more impact.
Considering how stiff the car is, how is it even possible to show the least g-forces, eh? The Z4, with it's supposedly cushier and more comfortable ride (in which it is more Caddy-like than the S200) showed more impact.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul' date='Feb 8 2005, 12:04 PM
In fact IHO all Italian car above Fiat have soul.
A car does not have to be an exotic to have soul....