[QUOTE]An interesting tidbit from reading the full article - EVERY car except the S2000 had worse milage than it's EPA rating. Even the Elise only got 19.2.

To determine final standings, R&T used the EPA numbers. If they had used their observed fuel consumption, the results would have been:


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Did they test a 2005? My 2005 totally does NOT understeer! I had a 330 before this that was the king of understeer. The handling on my s2k is just dynamite.

 

Yes, they tested an '05.

If you went from a "king of understeer" to an S2000, it's no wonder you say it doesn't understeer.

If you had gone from and '00 S2000 to your '05, you likely would have said the '05 understeers like crazy.

An alignment got rid of some of the understeer on my '04, but the biggest improvement was fron running 225 front / 255 rear Victoracer tires. Wonderfully neutral handling.

 

[quote name='Fast Shadow' date='Jan 29 2005, 06:28 PM']And why would the leaf spring Crapvette win?

 

Using NASCAR as a benchmark for technology? Ouch. BAR Honda gets 900hp out of a 3 liter engine that is used for two races.. don't even tell me you want to compare F1 tech vs. NASCAR.

 

Did I compare NASCAR to F1? No, I only pointed out push rods should not be sold short. Who brought in F1 engines? Where is it I said Nascar was the benchmark for technology. I just said they have done amazing things with what the rules give them.

I can be admire what they have done with some amount of gravity. In my life I've built many pushrod race engines and many 4 valve race engines. Competitive ones I might add.

A little off topic but I even had some experiance with the magnificent Rolls Royce Merlin engines. The engine Ricardo spoke of as the most beautiful example of engineering in the world.

Note my signiture you'll see a quote from my many year best friend the late Dave Zeuschel. Double throw down master builder of P-51 Mustangs and Merlin engines.
Holder of the world closed course speed record for many years. When you build air race engines remember you can't pull over and stop.

I'll get off my soap box now.

And just to get in one more dig, What has Honda done in F1? Have they ever won? NO. Have they ever gotten a pole? No. Don't get me wrong they are wondefull pieces of work but don't throw them out as the top of the technology heep!

We know who is the top of the line and it starts with a F. And some guy named Shoey drives them.

 

Umm.. Honda finished 2nd in the constructor's championship and had several podium finishes last year. How did Chevrolet's F1 team do?

 

Ah yes, but how far down in second. Got the point spread do ya?

Did Chevy compete in F1? I don't recall seeing that.
How did Honda do in NASCAR? Or off shore racing? Or Sprint car racing?
And on and on there is no engine in the world that has won as many races as the small block chevy. That's a record that will take decades to beat.

I unlike you am not bad mouthing anyone who competes in profesonal racing. As a prior competator myself in pro racing I know how hard it is. There is no way anyone can convey how much energy and resorces go into any pro race car and team. Nothing else except war can come close to the speed at which development takes place. How hard every single person involved give 110%.

How can you compare anything to Ferrari who has over 1000 employees working at the race car factory. That has nothing to do with production cars, just race cars. They have their own track and a resident F1 driver. That does not count the traveling team.This goes for other teams to a lesser extent. Even the small teams require 100 million USD budget.

Contrast that to NASCAR where 12 mil will get you a competitive season.
Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?

On top of all that I, who was always an open wheel driver enjoy NASCAR better. I didn't say it was better racing or more or less competative. It is just presented better. They were the first to realize that they were not in a sport, they were entertainment. So you get the good guy and the bad guy and the ford guys and the Chevy guys. You get the point. They run it like a soap opera. And it sells. They pack 100,000 people in the stands 38 times a year. They have a better TV franchise then any other sport. You have to get Speed chanel to see a F1 race.

Not that I don't have Speed channel and stay up until 5 AM to watch, I do.

 

Does the name Senna ring a bell?

Perhaps you should attempt a google search next time before spewing misinformation.

 

Shall we limit this to the post turbo era or at least the last 15 years. I'm probably older then you so if you want to start looking at old times we can do it.
Fact being I was at the last F1 race to be run in the US with turbos and Senna. That was at the old Detroit course. I also was in the garage where the Honda techs were taking engines out of these little formed aluminum boxes and then triming them with turbos and other accesorys. It was breathtaking to see how many of those boxes full of engines there were. I didn't count them but they were stacked three high. All these japanese mechanics running around in green overalls. The numbers were stagering.

Misinformation???? We are talking modern technology here. I havn't seen Senna around for a while now. If you look for him he is at the big racetrack in the sky.