I think that's the fastest 1/4 mile time I've seen published in a mag. That's a pretty high trap speed.

Anyway, it's nice to see the S being compared to cars that are $10-50k more than it. Kinda says something about it.

 

I looked it up. it really does use leaf springs. don't really understand this.

http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=519

 

Are you guys serious? Who cares if it uses leaf springs!?

If it's not broke...DON'T FIX IT.

The C6 was faster than the S2000 in the slalom. Faster on the roadcourse. Pulled more G's on the skid pad. It's #1 because it is the #1 (streetable) performance car in the world for it's value, just like the C5 Z06.

 

PM for scanned page links?

 

[quote name='PilotKD' date='Jan 30 2005, 12:38 AM'] I think that's the fastest 1/4 mile time I've seen published in a mag.

 

what's interesting is the original S2000 tested at .94g's on the skidpad and 70.3mph in the slalom..... the new S2k didn't quite fare as well it seems.

just like the post above, where the original S2k got 13.8 and the new one 13.9.

 

I don't think you can make a big deal over a 13.9 versus a 13.8. AP1 people love to throw numbers and shit in AP2 owner's faces when its in their favor and say stuff like "the new S2k didn't fare as well". First of all, 13.9 versus 13.8 could easily be due to the track they ran at, the weather, the drive, the car itself (Some cars simply dyno more than others). Even with the same driver, a slight mistake could cause a 13.9 versus a 13.8 ... So saying that the new S2K didn't fare as well I think is BS in the 1/4 mile dept.

With the same trap speed of 100mph, you've gotta assume that the cars are equally fast at straight line acceleration from a dig. I'm not going to say any bullshit here about dyno'ing more horsepower in the F22C or anything because it doesn't seem to make a difference.

And while its true, the '04-'05 S2000s seem to perform worse stock for stock against the AP1s in terms of handling, many have said an alignment can cure much of the understeer problems which were observed by R&T and would cure the lower numbers on the skidpad and slalom. Honda purposely tuned this car to help prevent oversteer, so you need to adjust the car to get it back to the way it was before. In everyday driving most people probably wouldn't notice though ... which is what Honda is assuming too.

Sorry for the ranting, I just hate the stupid AP1 versus AP2 crap that goes on here ... everytime something gets published saying one is better than the other, owners of each car rub it in each other's faces, probably to make themselves feel better about owning one or the other. Just accept the fact that we own the same car and they're not that much different.

 

What does the terms AP1 and AP2 stand for? I did a search and it seems to be the old pre'04 vs '04-'05 debate. What do the actual letters and numbers mean?

 

AP1 and AP2 are the chassis codes.

AP1 = MY00-MY03 chassis.
AP2 = MY04-MY05+ chassis with the re-designed bumpers and new headlights / tail lights.

F20C and F22C are the engine codes.

F22C = 2.2L engine in the S2000 in North America for MY04-05+
F20C = 2.0L engine in the S2000 for MY00-MY05+ except in North America and potentially some other areas (I heard Greece gets the F22C too).

So, if you buy a MY04 S2000 in the UK, you would get an AP2 chassis with the F20C engine. If you buy a MY04 S2000 in the USA, you get the AP2 chassis with the F22C etc etc etc ... Make sense?

Honda and presumably every other manufacturer has engine codes and chassis codes for all of their cars. For example, my other car is a UA5 Chassis (Acura TL / Honda Inspire), with a J32A2 engine (Type S engine 260hp/232 lb-ft).

Hope this makes sense.

 

Great explanation! Thanks, for the extra info also, I already understood the engine designations, but was surprised to learn about the AP2 chassis in the UK. I had thought the UK's '04 S2000 was simply the '03 with exterior cosemtic changes, I didn't realize the chassis had changed. I am with you on this---I don't really care if or why one model year is better than the other, since everything is so close any way. I am curious though, are there any different OEM wheel size, transmission gearing or rear end setups in the UK? Different from the OEM US spec?