A sad scene
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From: Maryville
I was the one who posted this topic on Honda-Tech. The girl who died went to school with me. She was a dear friend to me and lots of others. We are all still in deep grief. Her fience lived with just scratches and the horrible memory. Her brother is a pretty good friend of mine and I got a chance to talk to him the other day. He said that Phan, her fience, was just trying to pass a slow car in the wet and he fishtailed and lost complete control. Now the police are charging him with vehiculer homicide. I feel that the loss he had is enough. I ask for your thoughts and prayers for me and my friends and her family. She died so young. Plus she was one of the nicest people I have ever met.
R.I.P. Thoa Kim Le
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From: Clearlake, CA
First, this was a very sad occurance, and my heart goes out to her family and friends...and also to the driver. His mistake, and one that will tear at his soul for a lifetime.
Second, on some of the comments:
"It's the car" -- give me a brake. Any vehicle is a dangerous weapon, capable of mass murder. The only difference between the safety of any vehicle is the way it is driven. A parked car never killed anyone by crashing into a tree. Different vehicles have different characteristics, and must be driven accordingly! (Vehicle or part failure leading to an accident is different, and no one's ever shown proof of this in an S2000 accident that I've seen.)
"The driver was too young" -- man, this just ticks me off. 80 years ago we knew that our children started to turn into adults between 11 and 13, and were adults by 13-15. Why has society become so stupid? Instead of fighting biology, we should be treating, and teaching, our children how to be an adult at the appropriate age (10-12). Instead, we never teach our children how to be an adult, and then punish them by limiting their rights because they are "too stupid and immature" to handle the responsiblilities until some magic age. Guess what? The only way they learn these abilities is by doing, so what society is actually accomplishing is to encourage our children to break the law. This is the major reason I decided that I will not have children, it's child abuse plain and simple and I'll have no part of it.
It's all about personal responsibility; you want to give your teenager a S2000? You, as a fine outstanding middle-aged adult, want to purchase one for yourself? Fine, just make sure the driver knows how to drive it. You wouldn't give someone a bottle of hydrochloric acid without teaching them how to handle it would you? There is no difference.
Second, on some of the comments:
"It's the car" -- give me a brake. Any vehicle is a dangerous weapon, capable of mass murder. The only difference between the safety of any vehicle is the way it is driven. A parked car never killed anyone by crashing into a tree. Different vehicles have different characteristics, and must be driven accordingly! (Vehicle or part failure leading to an accident is different, and no one's ever shown proof of this in an S2000 accident that I've seen.)
"The driver was too young" -- man, this just ticks me off. 80 years ago we knew that our children started to turn into adults between 11 and 13, and were adults by 13-15. Why has society become so stupid? Instead of fighting biology, we should be treating, and teaching, our children how to be an adult at the appropriate age (10-12). Instead, we never teach our children how to be an adult, and then punish them by limiting their rights because they are "too stupid and immature" to handle the responsiblilities until some magic age. Guess what? The only way they learn these abilities is by doing, so what society is actually accomplishing is to encourage our children to break the law. This is the major reason I decided that I will not have children, it's child abuse plain and simple and I'll have no part of it.
It's all about personal responsibility; you want to give your teenager a S2000? You, as a fine outstanding middle-aged adult, want to purchase one for yourself? Fine, just make sure the driver knows how to drive it. You wouldn't give someone a bottle of hydrochloric acid without teaching them how to handle it would you? There is no difference.
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From: Alhambra
[QUOTE]Originally posted by s2knomore
[B]One again, this is another proof that the S2k is a ill handling and deadly vehicle. Don't tell me it's the driver's fault, everyone who had an accident said the same thing: I am a good driver, that will never happen to me. Guess what, its not the driver. It's the car! honda should have never sold such a car with such a unstable suspension. the ratio of accident per car sold is the highest among all cars sold in the US, even higher than the Ford Explorer! In fact there are several lawsuit pending against Honda from accident victims.
[B]One again, this is another proof that the S2k is a ill handling and deadly vehicle. Don't tell me it's the driver's fault, everyone who had an accident said the same thing: I am a good driver, that will never happen to me. Guess what, its not the driver. It's the car! honda should have never sold such a car with such a unstable suspension. the ratio of accident per car sold is the highest among all cars sold in the US, even higher than the Ford Explorer! In fact there are several lawsuit pending against Honda from accident victims.
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From: Kennesaw
Originally posted by lane
First, this was a very sad occurance, and my heart goes out to her family and friends...and also to the driver. His mistake, and one that will tear at his soul for a lifetime.
Second, on some of the comments:
"It's the car" -- give me a brake. Any vehicle is a dangerous weapon, capable of mass murder. The only difference between the safety of any vehicle is the way it is driven. A parked car never killed anyone by crashing into a tree. Different vehicles have different characteristics, and must be driven accordingly! (Vehicle or part failure leading to an accident is different, and no one's ever shown proof of this in an S2000 accident that I've seen.)
"The driver was too young" -- man, this just ticks me off. 80 years ago we knew that our children started to turn into adults between 11 and 13, and were adults by 13-15. Why has society become so stupid? Instead of fighting biology, we should be treating, and teaching, our children how to be an adult at the appropriate age (10-12). Instead, we never teach our children how to be an adult, and then punish them by limiting their rights because they are "too stupid and immature" to handle the responsiblilities until some magic age. Guess what? The only way they learn these abilities is by doing, so what society is actually accomplishing is to encourage our children to break the law. This is the major reason I decided that I will not have children, it's child abuse plain and simple and I'll have no part of it.
It's all about personal responsibility; you want to give your teenager a S2000? You, as a fine outstanding middle-aged adult, want to purchase one for yourself? Fine, just make sure the driver knows how to drive it. You wouldn't give someone a bottle of hydrochloric acid without teaching them how to handle it would you? There is no difference.
First, this was a very sad occurance, and my heart goes out to her family and friends...and also to the driver. His mistake, and one that will tear at his soul for a lifetime.
Second, on some of the comments:
"It's the car" -- give me a brake. Any vehicle is a dangerous weapon, capable of mass murder. The only difference between the safety of any vehicle is the way it is driven. A parked car never killed anyone by crashing into a tree. Different vehicles have different characteristics, and must be driven accordingly! (Vehicle or part failure leading to an accident is different, and no one's ever shown proof of this in an S2000 accident that I've seen.)
"The driver was too young" -- man, this just ticks me off. 80 years ago we knew that our children started to turn into adults between 11 and 13, and were adults by 13-15. Why has society become so stupid? Instead of fighting biology, we should be treating, and teaching, our children how to be an adult at the appropriate age (10-12). Instead, we never teach our children how to be an adult, and then punish them by limiting their rights because they are "too stupid and immature" to handle the responsiblilities until some magic age. Guess what? The only way they learn these abilities is by doing, so what society is actually accomplishing is to encourage our children to break the law. This is the major reason I decided that I will not have children, it's child abuse plain and simple and I'll have no part of it.
It's all about personal responsibility; you want to give your teenager a S2000? You, as a fine outstanding middle-aged adult, want to purchase one for yourself? Fine, just make sure the driver knows how to drive it. You wouldn't give someone a bottle of hydrochloric acid without teaching them how to handle it would you? There is no difference.
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From: Land of the landeaus
After spending a few minutes reading over this thread, I'm convinced very little has changed since I was a teen back in the 70's. I was trustworthy too...hell, the principal of the high school gave me the keys to the school (for basketball court access on weekends gathering the boys together for pickup games) when I was 16 years old. That didn't prevent me from driving significantly over the speed limit in my dad's 454 Chevy while in the midst of impressing a girl I had the orbs on for ages. Whether or not we speak as individuals, statistics bear out the cold, stark reality that the leading cause of death among teenage boys is accidents from automobiles...that is not the case however for men in their 40's. It is not a finger pointing exercise at any teen in here when statements about responsibility are made. Heck, my dad would gulp down three six-packs and drive down to the store for another and I'm the irresponsible one? I know how you younger guys feel but while defending your perceived level of maturity, bear in mind your words do not drown out the statistics.
Continue to act responsible in your actions, both in and out of your automobile but your lack of driving skills is not due to your lack of age, it's due to the AMOUNT of time you've had developing those skills. You can be a responsible teen and yet, have a driver's license whose laminate is still hot to the touch...the former does not negate the status of the latter.
Drive to have fun but drive safe. You can have it both ways.
Continue to act responsible in your actions, both in and out of your automobile but your lack of driving skills is not due to your lack of age, it's due to the AMOUNT of time you've had developing those skills. You can be a responsible teen and yet, have a driver's license whose laminate is still hot to the touch...the former does not negate the status of the latter.
Drive to have fun but drive safe. You can have it both ways.
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From: Galveston
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You know , Ive been been building and racing any thing I could get hands on since I was 15 and Ive found a little common sense goes a long ways, however some times s--t happens no matter who is driving , young ,old, whomever.
Some of the worst drivers in the world are old farts who should have stop driving when their hearing and eye sight stops working.
Im 38 now and beleive me when I start to loose two important senses Ill get some kid to drive me around.
So all you key-board critics , unless your in that yong mans shoes
back off, I think he's got enough to deal with!
Robert
You know , Ive been been building and racing any thing I could get hands on since I was 15 and Ive found a little common sense goes a long ways, however some times s--t happens no matter who is driving , young ,old, whomever. Some of the worst drivers in the world are old farts who should have stop driving when their hearing and eye sight stops working.
Im 38 now and beleive me when I start to loose two important senses Ill get some kid to drive me around.
So all you key-board critics , unless your in that yong mans shoes
back off, I think he's got enough to deal with!
Robert
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From: FCUK
This is very very sad already guys/girls 
, let's not get into a flame war about the car and handling or age of drivers etc. here ...... there are plenty of other threads in which to do that if you feel need !!!
, let's not get into a flame war about the car and handling or age of drivers etc. here ...... there are plenty of other threads in which to do that if you feel need !!!
