A sad scene
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From: sydney
[QUOTE]Originally posted by s2knomore
[B]One again, this is another proof that the S2k is a ill handling and deadly vehicle. Don't tell me it's the driver's fault, everyone who had an accident said the same thing: I am a good driver, that will never happen to me. Guess what, its not the driver. It's the car! honda should have never sold such a car with such a unstable suspension. the ratio of accident per car sold is the highest among all cars sold in the US, even higher than the Ford Explorer! In fact there are several lawsuit pending against Honda from accident victims.
[B]One again, this is another proof that the S2k is a ill handling and deadly vehicle. Don't tell me it's the driver's fault, everyone who had an accident said the same thing: I am a good driver, that will never happen to me. Guess what, its not the driver. It's the car! honda should have never sold such a car with such a unstable suspension. the ratio of accident per car sold is the highest among all cars sold in the US, even higher than the Ford Explorer! In fact there are several lawsuit pending against Honda from accident victims.
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From: South Bay
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ace039
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That is a very ignorant quote I have up there in bold and reflects your level of stupidity. I usually would go off on you right about now, but for some reason will not. What you said above is no different then a racist statement. In both situation you take a small sample group and apply their characteristics to the HUGE group that they represent. This method is bound for misconception. My dad bought me an S2000 when I was 16!! Never have I crashed it or got into an accident. But yet I am included in your idiotic post above.
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That is a very ignorant quote I have up there in bold and reflects your level of stupidity. I usually would go off on you right about now, but for some reason will not. What you said above is no different then a racist statement. In both situation you take a small sample group and apply their characteristics to the HUGE group that they represent. This method is bound for misconception. My dad bought me an S2000 when I was 16!! Never have I crashed it or got into an accident. But yet I am included in your idiotic post above.
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i think i'm responsible enough to handle this car the way i drive it (not very fast). i pretty much know my limits, and try not to even drive anywhere close to that. my parents thought i was an excellent driver before they bought me my car, and i know if they didn't think i could handle a fast car, they wouldn't have gotten it for me.
there are a lot more under-age (16-17) S2000 drivers out there than i thought there were. i think that's pretty cool.
there are a lot more under-age (16-17) S2000 drivers out there than i thought there were. i think that's pretty cool.
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From: Atlanta, Georgia
Originally posted by |<|2`/P70N173
it was the driver, just another dumb ass viet rice boy who ****ed up. (i am vietnamese - so i can say this)
I am sick and tired of these rice asian kiddies with more $$$ than brains, i hope he stays locked up for a loooong ****ing time.
I feel really sorry for the passenger.
it was the driver, just another dumb ass viet rice boy who ****ed up. (i am vietnamese - so i can say this)
I am sick and tired of these rice asian kiddies with more $$$ than brains, i hope he stays locked up for a loooong ****ing time.
I feel really sorry for the passenger.
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From: Oh kwa tan zen wan
Originally posted by S2000kid
My parents must be beyond stupid because i have the s2000 and a 98 tt supra at my disposal. But I would like to point out that you are generalizing. Just because i am 17 dosn't mean i run 110+ everywhere it's not only stupid but pointless. I get so tired of hearing this same argument. The fact is kids speed wether they are in a ferrari, viper, s2000, accord, civic, or a pinto for that matter. So my question to all of you is what do you want your kid to be in going 100+ in, since any car you buy them short of an electric car can do it, a car such as an accord? Or maybe a high performance machiene that is made to handle these speeds? With the s2000 you have one of the best handling along with one of the safest cars around. Not to mention the amazing brakes. When kids are acting stupid, which they will, they should have the safest car possible. To some of you that may mean the biggest or the slowest but to me the safest car possible is the one that is quick, nimble, and has great breaks. Not to mention the fear of messing up their baby which every new drivers car is no matter what car. This is one of the biggest factors. I know first hand there isn't a kid that will not go up to 100 no matter what car they drive. Again these generalizations bother me i have been driving my S2000 since i was 15 years old. Think of it what you want just telling you it dosn't happen the way you think all of the time.
My parents must be beyond stupid because i have the s2000 and a 98 tt supra at my disposal. But I would like to point out that you are generalizing. Just because i am 17 dosn't mean i run 110+ everywhere it's not only stupid but pointless. I get so tired of hearing this same argument. The fact is kids speed wether they are in a ferrari, viper, s2000, accord, civic, or a pinto for that matter. So my question to all of you is what do you want your kid to be in going 100+ in, since any car you buy them short of an electric car can do it, a car such as an accord? Or maybe a high performance machiene that is made to handle these speeds? With the s2000 you have one of the best handling along with one of the safest cars around. Not to mention the amazing brakes. When kids are acting stupid, which they will, they should have the safest car possible. To some of you that may mean the biggest or the slowest but to me the safest car possible is the one that is quick, nimble, and has great breaks. Not to mention the fear of messing up their baby which every new drivers car is no matter what car. This is one of the biggest factors. I know first hand there isn't a kid that will not go up to 100 no matter what car they drive. Again these generalizations bother me i have been driving my S2000 since i was 15 years old. Think of it what you want just telling you it dosn't happen the way you think all of the time.
Granted, a responsible parent who wants to permit the use of high performance vehicles to their children should FIRST have their children complete a Skip Barber Vehicle Dynamics type course. But many parents don't think of this simple step and therefore are either ignorant or stupid. Without some type of formal training to compensate for lack of driver experience, teens combined with high-po vehicles are a recipe for disaster.
And to answer your question, I would prefer a teen to have a safe car which includes stopping quickly but not necessarily accelerating quickly. And no the S2000 is NOT one of the safest vehicles around. NO convertible can be classified as the safest vehicle around. For this you need the structural rigidity of a fixed roof car. Some safer cars than the s2000? Well you have any non-mitsu built Volvo, Saabs, Mercedes, Lexus. And actually YES the Accord is a safer car than the s2000.
As you mature in age and mind, you will come to agree that teens should be limited to the power of car than can drive. When your driving your family around for night out and see a car filled with teens driving like crazed loons, you will wish for some type of legislation to control automotive access to teenagers.
When I was in my teens I though I could conquer the world and there would be no consequences. This type of attitude is fostered by not having any "real" responsibities.
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From: Kennesaw
Good points. It all comes down to maturity (sp?). I am personally mature enough to not put myself in a position that the car is at it's limits which is what any person with good common sence should do. I totally agree 99% of teenagers have no common sence.
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From: Cape Girardeau
I'd hate to pin this incident on the car, I'd also hate to pin it all on the driver. With no driver, the car and the people would be here again, but a different car in the exact situation would have netted a different outcome most probably...say an A4. I'll never see eye to eye with those people that say this car has no inherent negative handling characteristics, but I'll agree with the fact that the driver is ultimately responsible. There are so many factors at work here, the tire condition/temp, the weather, the probable inexperience of a young driver, the road, the list goes on and on.
I'm just very sad for all involved.
Andrew
