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Sequential shifter...WHY NOT DAMN IT!!

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Old May 5, 2002 | 08:41 PM
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i guess my opinion of true sports car is different. Stick for life! Mike
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Old May 5, 2002 | 08:48 PM
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I'll take .08sec shifts anyday over a clutch. I think you can go faster and drive better with one less think you need to worry about. Even F1 now has automatic muanual transmissions. Shumacher doesn't even need to select gears anymore, the computer does it and perfect downshifts rev matched and all.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 09:00 PM
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I don't know, I just saw some of the Artists renditions of the S2K in the S2K book and it had a sequential shifter in it. I t would be a bad ass option for about 1500 bucks...i'd get that over theground effects.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 09:20 PM
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Like some others have said, give it some time and Honda will offer the SMT option on the S2k. BTW, the SMT on the MR2 is far from perfect. The clutch engagement and shift times are delayed by quite a bit making it no quicker, but a bit slower than the standard MR2 manual. This is why it only runs $989. Now the .08 shift/clutch engagement time on the M3 is perfect.. But perfection comes at a price, $2400 extra on the M3.

And it appears that some have the SMT/SMG confused with the wannabe Tiptronic crapomatic style trannies. The SMT is NOT an automatic that gives the option to select your gears. It's a full blown manual transmission complete with the clutch, which means no loss in power, less delays in shifting, and better overall fuel economy. The only thing that is missing is the clutch pedal. The computer controls the engagement and disengagement of the clutch as opposed to you pushing on that extra pedal. In traffic, it's a godsend. AND it has all the performance benefits of a manual but it removes driver error buy engaging the clutch perfectly each time. Should you get stuck in traffic, the computer will even shift for you if you choose that mode. But in full manual, you can hit the rev limiter all day until you hit the upshift paddle or gear lever. Something that can't be done with most of the sequential automatics.

I'll be the first in line should they offer it in the future for the s2000..
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Old May 5, 2002 | 09:26 PM
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i think i'd rather whack my shtick than have a computer do it...
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Old May 5, 2002 | 10:35 PM
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Just out of curiousity, is the SMG M3 faster than the normal MT?
Recently there was an article in some european car magazine in which they tested the 6-speed and SMG equiped M3's side by side (go to roadfly.com and do a search, people have posted the article on a few occasions). The 6-speed beat the SMG pretty consistently. However, unless you are a very good driver, SMG is going to give you better times since it shifts perfectly and quickly every time.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 11:02 PM
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Sportshift = no.

I've had a Sportshift Prelude for 3 years. Manual transmissions should never be replaced by an SS tranny on any sports car. True the S2000 emulates some F1/CART features, but a paddle shift clutchless tranny that emulates F1/CART shifters is far beyond affordability.

It is very clear that those who want a sequential shifter on the S2000 have never experienced a sequential transmission. It's a great solution for mildly sporty sedans, but for a car like the S2000, asking for a sequential shift option is just a shame to see someone propose.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 11:05 PM
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dont f1 cars have clutches for their seq? you hear them rev way up there then drop. what is going on if they dont have clutches
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Old May 5, 2002 | 11:15 PM
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I guess the 02 MR2 is A TRUE Sports car because the Seq. shifter in it is FLAWLESS!! oh, and its only a $989 option...

It's nowhere close to perfect to me ... we only have the seq. shifter MR2-S here ()ie. no manual) and I would never get it just because of the shifter. If it had a manual, then it'd be worth concidering (to me). The MR2 shifter (just like any other) still is nowhere as responsive as a manual and also it does some 'overiding' which I could not live with. To me all seq. shifters are still closer to an auto-box then a manual and manual is the one I prefer ... it's the instant, guranteed responsiveness of the manual that I'm not willing to give up. Also, a manual gearbox will never try and overide anything I want to do and that is important to me as well.

I recentry read a track comparision where they had an SMG m3 and they did not like it on the track for the same reasons I listed above ... you need it respond instanteneously when you're on the track. Also, they claim it's not as quick as you'd like on the up-change.

If S2000 had a sequential shifter then I would have not bought it ... though I'm sure that if they offered it as an otion then they'd get a fair few customes taking it. I just would not be one of them.
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Old May 5, 2002 | 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Honda Racer
dont f1 cars have clutches for their seq? you hear them rev way up there then drop. what is going on if they dont have clutches
upshifts are clutchless. downshifts do require driver engagement of the clutch.
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